First time since 1971 ,Pakistan is alone today - Zaid hamid

[Max]

yeah but US stopped us from going after west pakistan and brought early end to war.

nothing of this kind happen.. if US couldn't stopped you in east how it was able to do this in west? stop blabbering shit.. the objective of ur state was to use terrorism and break east.. west was not even in ur thoughts.. u tried west in 65 and we defended well and kicked you out..

 

[Yousafzai_M]

I do agree Pakistanis love Turkey and I believe the same is true the other way round (I had first hand experience of this when I was in Istanbul just last month).

Personally a bomb blast in Turkey hurts me as much as the ones in Pakistan used to do, and I really wish Turkey doesn't follow the same path with regards to Daesh like Pakistan did with regards to Taliban.

International relations however are not based on personal emotions. There is only one thing that drives them and thats national interest. Trade alone is not the criterion otherwise China-India trade is a lot larger than China-Pakistan trade.

On topic, I do agree that Pakistan is lonelier now than it was a few years ago (when the 'war on terror' was in full swing). US and other western countries don't need Pakistan as much as they did so its rather natural for the relations to become cooler. Same goes for the Arabs.

 

[Nilgiri]

You have been the biggest recipient of U.S aid for the last 50 years


How many of Pakistans allies ever in a position to support considerable material aid over the last 50 years

Today, the growth of borh Pakistan and its allies plus common security threats will lead to more common defence

Not per capita we weren't. Not even close.

Using total amount if like saying India is 10 times richer than Pakistan by GDP.

 

[hussain0216]

yeah but US stopped us from going after west pakistan and brought early end to war. russia simply protected us from americans... russia never threatened pakistan for example.


they are all civilian aid.. food and stuff like that... nothing to do with war.(thats what we were talking about)
USA and china are in position to support you in war.. materially.. not turkey I agree
historically pakistan had more allies during cold war than after... so sir Zaid has a point.

If u receive billions in food aid, it means you can save billions on feeding your people which you used on your military

 

[Nilgiri]

If u receive billions in food aid, it means you can save billions on feeding your people which you used on your military

Not really. Food aid carries dependency + local agricultural undercutting problems that cost the economy more in the long run. Its like using a drug to increase performance for a short while in a very crucial phase when you have no other option...and you are willing to take the long term hit afterwards when you are out of immediate danger.

Thats why persistent long term food aid to africa has totally wrecked their agriculture. They've got hooked on it and their own farmers are unable to compete.

 

[New World]

did turkey support pak in any of the wars... ?

yes, during 65 war there was a medical as well as technical brigade from turkey and after war US put sanction and as we have almost everything from US at that time turkey, jordan and iran send their hardware to pakistan as a replacement of loses during war.. same thing happens in 71 war but that time we have already diverted our resources, because at that time have weapons of France and china as well...

 

[livingdead]

If u receive billions in food aid, it means you can save billions on feeding your people which you used on your military

well you have a point there... India received 65 billion and pakistan 44 billion.. not sure how much we got till 71 though..

 

[waz]

It isn't alone and has great relations with many states. True friends, can only be counted on one hand, but I'd say that is the case with most nations, not just Pakistan.

 

[livingdead]

yes, during 65 war there was a medical as well as technical brigade from turkey and after war US put sanction and as we have almost everything from US at that time turkey, jordan and iran send their hardware to pakistan as a replacement of loses during war.. same thing happens in 71 war but that time we have already diverted our resources, because at that time have weapons of France and china as well...

ok.. did not know tat... you are the first person to reply to a direct question..

 

[Super Falcon]

If. We get rid of zardari and nawaz harami I guarantee you we will be back in our feet in no time these *** holes are hindering the Pakistan to develop in all fields

 

[Tiger Genie]

China , Turkey, and Saudis all backing us.

and India try to use foreign diplomacy to counter CPEC, because of Chinese and Russian advancement in the hot waters,
secondly india must knew that he is creating friends which is 14000 kilometer south, and escalating tensions with China Russia, and Pakistan as well, which are its neighbors.

you keep in mind that when ever china ask Russian to intervene, Iran will backed from whole that, because of very bad economy conditions of present Iran, that 's why US taking out sanctions from Iran to resist Russian pressure, and giving tough time to Saudi, and we all knew these days tensions are very high in Saudi's and US.

Thinking Pakistan is alone, is your perception which is not true.



he just returned from saudi prison, and in Pakistan nobody take him serious, and i also advice you to not take it serious otherwise we are taking RSS very serious.

you cannot really equate clowns like zaid hamid with serious organizations such as RSS. You may not like either but doesn;t make them comparable

 

[TMA]

http://noliesradio.org/archives/115439

Zaid Hamid on Kevin Barrett's Truth Jihad Radio. Interesting discussion.

 

[jaunty]

Trade isn't everything. Both nations are very well aware that in case of war, without hesitation Turkey would support Pakistan and vice versa. The bonds go deeper than material goods, we are of the green and red crescent flags, representing same values.

Talk is cheap, actions matter. There have been quite a few wars between India and Pakistan. How many times did you support Pakistan? Or are you talking about "moral support"?

 

[BordoEnes]

Pakistan alone? Hah joke of the century. Not gonna happen with us around thats for sure.

 

[RazorMC]

I disagree

We have poor politicians sure, who fail to grasp opportunities but we live in a rough tough neighbourhood

We have an enemy to the east, where our emnity is based on a number of historical and strategic reasons

Afghanistan and the current make up of the Afghan government is an enemy of Pakistan and the demands it makes upon Pakistan are unacceptable

Neither should we bend to these demands, nor should we sit idle whilst our enemies plot and take action

We are neutral with iran and have been so for decades

We have strong links to the GCC but we no longer go against our own interests for the sake of others unless they can bring considerable benefits to the table


We have very strong relationships with the Chinese and Turks and have extensive foreign relations with countries through out Muslim world and beyond from Nigeria to Sri Lanka, to Italy to Ukraine, with improving relationship with Russia


The countries getting bent out of shape are
India (so what we hate them)

We no longer do the bidding for the U.S or GCC they csn rant or rave as much as they want but unless they can provide tangible benefits that enhance Pakistani interests then **** em (although we still have very good relations with the GCC)

That would be a preferable situation but it is not the case unfortunately.

The Chinese themselves have heavy interest in the Indo-China trade which stands at billions of USD per year while ours is just a small portion of that amount. True, China sees Pakistan as a friendly state, but the rising importance of India for them could mean a different scenario in the coming decades wrt Chinese foreign policy.

Afghanistan is becoming increasingly vocal against Pakistan despite us hosting millions of them. Not to be offensive, but if a remote, backward country like Afghanistan is becoming so aggressive, then it is our failure for not shutting them up.

Most Islamic countries have good trade and cultural relations with India, much better than ours. I wouldn't count on that as our diplomatic prowess. If it wasn't for the OIC, they would have been supporting India over Pakistan. They remain neutral and prove that our overall diplomacy is still stuck in the 80s.

I agree but when certain countries are set on your downfall, diplomacy can only do so much.

That is where overt and covert diplomacy comes in. And that's been our failure ever since Musharraf left. I wouldn't agree with most of what that man did, but his foreign policy had put Pakistan well ahead of India. Now, the reverse is true.