First Sino-American War will Inflict Catastrophic Losses on China, says Rand Report

[gambit]

Do you think I was talking about the experience of one individual US soldier in Iraq? Is this the level of the American wit? I'm truly disappointed!

Yes, you were. Here it is...

The US soldiers not the sailors are battle hardened

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/first-si...-says-rand-report.442789/page-6#ixzz4GqvhqPOM

You were basically saying that only land soldiers have combat experience, not sailors.

I am talking about the US and Chinese navies and their comparable institutional combat experience. The USN simply have more.

If it makes you feel better, okay, we're 'dumb' and you're INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR.

I do feel better. But I do not need to debate the likes of you to feel better. You are here to cheer for China, not to debate issues, particularly military issues, in a rational manner. You are not wrong to cheer for China, just as I am not wrong to cheer for the US. The difference is that because I have military experience, I am better than you and the PDF Chinese to debate the issues in a rational manner. I understand concepts like 'institutional memory' better than you guys do. I understand better than you guys do on how each type of experience is disseminated. In short, I know more and better than you do.

You are now dismissed from this discussion. You have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

 

[T-Rex]

Yes, you were. Here it is...


You were basically saying that only land soldiers have combat experience, not sailors.

You know I'm laughing, don't you? Okay, if you say 'soldiers' denote singular noun I won't argue with you. I think I've an idea who I'm talking to.

You are now dismissed from this discussion. You have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

You know, you make me feel like I'm watching that movie "A Few Good Men". Do I need to tell you which character in that movie resembles wise guys like you?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It seems that you are finding it difficult to accept the truth.

I am refuting the propaganda.

 

[Surya 1]

I am refuting the propaganda.

Ohhhh So it is a propaganda????

Than let me say the truth. China will defeat US very badly and destroy US forces. Are you happy noe?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Ohhhh So it is a propaganda????

Than let me say the truth. China will defeat US very badly and destroy US forces. Are you happy noe?

China prefers real action over bragging.

 

[Zsari]

US had steer clear of any Chinese territory during the Korea war, and the same during the Vietnam war, what makes anyone think they'll do anything different now? Because war becomes unwinnable without? Doing so will quickly escalate into a nuclear war. No administration will be willing to take that risk, especially when what's at stake is not even fundamental to US.

 

[Oldman1]

US can't intercept China DF-5B 10 MIRV and most important, it's proven HSV cannot be intercepted. We are having a mutal destruction of each other. It is is naive our American forumer thinking US will be safe from a conflict with China. US don't even dare to spare men to fight ISIS and Ukraine war and we have US smart Alec bragging about having thousands of US sailor killed fighting for a SCS which has no r/s with them. What a joke

When US send 50000 men to fight ISIS on ground then I will start to take yr words seriously.

Funny, you should point out the Gulf War 1 and 2. Those war shocked China to improve its weapons development. That shows how far back China is. If you think China is safe from U.S. nuclear attack, you are wrong. Until then, you can spit out whatever you want.

Just look at the aftermath chaos caused by the hurricane Katrina.

The aftermath of the war with China will be unimaginable, Rand just wants to brainwash you that it will be ok to start a war with China.

If it is that handy as Rand's assessment, then the US should already bomb those artificial islands.

Rand wants to chest thumping, but the US military leadership doesn't want to be a hot head.

The aftermath of nuclear attack on China will be unimaginable. Tens of millions of Chinese citizens wiped out in one city alone because of its dense population. Civilization gone. Radiation prevents any survivors to live if they are not lucky to be dead.

 

[Viet]

US had steer clear of any Chinese territory during the Korea war, and the same during the Vietnam war, what makes anyone think they'll do anything different now? Because war becomes unwinnable without? Doing so will quickly escalate into a nuclear war. No administration will be willing to take that risk, especially when what's at stake is not even fundamental to US.

The aim of the US in the Korea war is to save S Korea, and was changed later to defeat N Korea. USSR and China jumped hindering the goal. America had no intention to invade mainland China. Actually she threatened to nuke China into nuclear ashes if China did not stop intervening in Korea.

Vietnam war has the same scenario. Why should the US want to invade China? Making no sense at all. Why should the Yankees do with one billion Chinese?

 

[Oldman1]

The aim of the US in the Korea war is to save S Korea, and was changed later to defeat N Korea. USSR and China jumped hindering the goal. America had no intention to invade mainland China. Actually she threatened to nuke China into nuclear ashes if China did not stop intervening in Korea.

Vietnam war has the same scenario. Why should the US want to invade China? Making no sense at all. Why should the Yankees do with one billion Chinese?

Indeed, we had no intention of invading China. But remember that China has been invaded and occupied for many many years at the time. But even if they knew that the U.S. has no intention of invading China. Allowing a U.S. backed country next to China would be unacceptable. Remember, they supported North Korea's invasion of South Korea which was backed by the U.S.

 

[Zsari]

The aim of the US in the Korea war is to save S Korea, and was changed later to defeat N Korea. USSR and China jumped hindering the goal. America had no intention to invade mainland China. Actually she threatened to nuke China into nuclear ashes if China did not stop intervening in Korea.

Vietnam war has the same scenario. Why should the US want to invade China? Making no sense at all. Why should the Yankees do with one billion Chinese?

Read the article and reply accordingly. No one ever suggesting an invasion would take place. That would be the stupidest I've ever heard. We are talking about bombing the Chinese cities in an event of war, and from past experience that's not an option the US would entertain.

 

[Viet]

Read the article and reply accordingly. No one ever suggesting an invasion would take place. That would be the stupidest I've ever heard. We are talking about bombing the Chinese cities in an event of war, and from past experience that's not an option the US would entertain.

my previous response was to your post, the yankee never dare to touch your territory.

I read the article. you too?

pray God and hope for peace that a war never comes. despite a huge load of Chinese cheerleaders here and there crying for war against others including Chinese defence minister. you bet, nobody will touch, you no matter what you do. obviously you haven´t seen bloodshed for a long time.

if from the mainland you fire ballistic missiles on US territory such as Guam or US carriers, what makes you believe the US never dare to launch ballistic missiles on your missile installations?

if your aircraft take off from the mainland bombing US armed forces in the region, what makes to you so confident the US won´t retaliate against military bases on mainland?

such scenario is realistic. the war would remain conventional. unless one side loses the nerves and pushes on a red button.

during the cold war, the US made plans how to pre-emptively launched nuclear attack on USSR annihilating the Soviet nuclear installations. what makes you believe the Yankee won´t have any similar plan with you?

 

[T-Rex]

Funny, you should point out the Gulf War 1 and 2. Those war shocked China to improve its weapons development. That shows how far back China is. If you think China is safe from U.S. nuclear attack, you are wrong. Until then, you can spit out whatever you want.

If China wasn't safe from the US nukes Pakistan would have been bombed back to stone age by now, don't you think so? Remember the warning from China when everybody was sure that the US was about to attack Pakistan? The warning worked and that says it all.

The aftermath of nuclear attack on China will be unimaginable. Tens of millions of Chinese citizens wiped out in one city alone because of its dense population. Civilization gone. Radiation prevents any survivors to live if they are not lucky to be dead.

Yes, the aftermath of nuclear attack on China will be unimaginable, not only in China but also in the US.

 

[C130]

So I added "actually" in the sentence. UN army is a mask, we know other nations like South Africa, Thailand were cheerleader, the real force( including troops and weapons ) was America. And China loundly speak out the mission: Fight against America, assist Chosun. You guys pretend to be deaf because your mighty don't allow such failure.

"actually" doesn't make what you anymore true

there has never been a sino-american war and probably will never be one.

 

[T-Rex]

"actually" doesn't make what you anymore true

there has never been a sino-american war and probably will never be one.

The word 'probably' says it all. The word 'never' means nothing next to it. Remember, a war doesn't have to mean exchange of nuclear warheads.

 

[gambit]

Read the article and reply accordingly. No one ever suggesting an invasion would take place. That would be the stupidest I've ever heard. We are talking about bombing the Chinese cities in an event of war, and from past experience that's not an option the US would entertain.

And you are wrong.

We 'entertain' all options that are feasible to US. When I was on the F-111, one of those options have a four-ship formation go low altitude all the way to Moscow.

If the war requires it, we will invade mainland China. And we can. You guys can start howling to the Moon on how it would be impossible for US, and it would not bother me one whit. I am not in this forum to convince anyone. I present facts and opinions. Take them any way you like.

But the most likely scenario is going to be that the PLAN will be defeated at sea and at home. The PLAAF will present statistically minimal resistance as most PLAAF fighters will be gone, either from air-air combat or from being bombed into wreckage or even PLAAF airfields rendered ineffective due to runway denial operations by US.