First Sino-American War will Inflict Catastrophic Losses on China, says Rand Report

[Brainsucker]

First Sin-American War under First Woman President of US!!

Nah, if it's really happen, it will their second encounter.

 

[T-Rex]

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...ll-inflict-catastrophic-losses-china-rand.htm

U.S. Aircraft Carrier Group heading to South China Sea


A war between China and the United States will be a conventional war in which China will suffer very severely, whether the war takes place in the next few years or by 2025, said a new report by U.S. global policy think tank the Rand Corporation. There is no possibility of a Chinese victory in this war.


The "First Sino-American War" will only be fought in the air, at sea and in cyberspace. Its likely battlefields will be the South China Sea, the East China Sea and the Chinese mainland.


It will be the first conflict involving the U.S. and China since the Korean War from 1950 to 1953 that ended in an Armistice.


The First Sino-American War will see U.S. aircraft and missiles strike the Chinese mainland while China will be unable to attack the continental United States because it lacks the long-range strategic weapons such as aircraft carriers and long-range supersonic bombers to do so. China can only use cyber warfare against the American homeland.


Rand predicts the war will end in a bloody stalemate that will have catastrophic consequences for the economies of both the U.S. and China -- and the world.


There is also the likelihood of a Second Sino-American War.


"Each side's increasingly far-flung disposition of forces and growing ability to track and attack opposing forces could turn much of the Western Pacific into a 'war zone,' with grave economic consequences," said the study.
"It is unlikely that nuclear weapons would be used: Even in an intensely violent conventional conflict, neither side would regard its losses as so serious, its prospects so dire, or the stakes so vital that it would run the risk of devastating nuclear retaliation by using nuclear weapons first."


Rand also assumes that "China would not attack the U.S. homeland, except via cyberspace, given its minimal capability to do so with conventional weapons. In contrast, U.S. nonnuclear attacks against military targets in China could be extensive."


Rand believes American losses in this war will be significant, but Chinese losses might well be catastrophic.

"If either U.S. or Chinese political leaders authorize their military commanders to carry out plans for sharp strikes on enemy forces, a severely violent war would erupt.


"As of 2015, U.S. losses of surface naval and air forces, including disabled aircraft carriers and regional air bases, could be significant, but Chinese losses, including to homeland-based A2AD systems, would be much greater. Within days, it would be apparent to both sides that the early gap in losses favoring the United States would widen if fighting continued."


The reports said that as of 2015, "the longer a severe war dragged on, the worse the results and prospects would be for China.


"By 2025, however, inconclusive results in early fighting could motivate both sides to fight on despite heavy losses incurred and still expected. Although prospects for U.S. military victory then would be worse than they are today, this would not necessarily imply Chinese victory."

China should compensate any loss at sea by gains on land. I hope our Chinese friends understand what I mean. Therefore, China should gear up her land forces as much as possible in case of a military conflict at SCS. On land China's army is supreme in the world at the moment, she should use it since the US has the upper hand at sea.

 

[gambit]

America should recall viets or Afghanistan first then think again what is China all about

The problem with your limited thinking is that you believe we do not learn.

In fact, do not lecture to US about Viet Nam when there was Iraq -- twice. As for Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban from power in a few weeks.

If you think you know enough to lecture, then lecture to China. We have Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What does China have ?

USA need to let there people in peace and the rest of world
What if rest of world join against USA around 2025??

This is an argument of a 12 yr old.

I don't think USA has now balls to open another front or counter country like China ??

We have balls of stainless steel, son.

 

[X-2.]

The problem with your limited thinking is that you believe we do not learn.

In fact, do not lecture to US about Viet Nam when there was Iraq -- twice. As for Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban from power in a few weeks.

If you think you know enough to lecture, then lecture to China. We have Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What does China have ?


This is an argument of a 12 yr old.


We have balls of stainless steel, son.

Thats the ball of steel that is now so heavy that u can't even run, not even from Afghanistan??

When u run wd these balls they are just damaging ur backyard
Balls of steel

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

The problem with your limited thinking is that you believe we do not learn.

In fact, do not lecture to US about Viet Nam when there was Iraq -- twice. As for Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban from power in a few weeks.

If you think you know enough to lecture, then lecture to China. We have Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What does China have ?


This is an argument of a 12 yr old.


We have balls of stainless steel, son.

Im afraid you do not learn.

The best way forward is to not fight at all.

The likes of the Taliban spawn from ignorance and hate. Kill them and they spawn like fcuking mushrooms after a rain.

War with China? With the technological disparity at its peak during the Korean war you couldnt even take the Korean peninsula. Now war with China is the realm of keyboard warriors, armchair generals and er, grandfather cow boys.

Pew pew.

Peace and take you grandkids to a cinema or something, not wasting time here talking war. Its so undignified.

 

[gambit]

Im afraid you do not learn.

The best way forward is to not fight at all.

The likes of the Taliban spawn from ignorance and hate. Kill them and they spawn like fcuking mushrooms after a rain.

War with China? With the technological disparity at its peak during the Korean war you couldnt even take the Korean peninsula. Now war with China is the realm of keyboard warriors, armchair generals and er, grandfather cow boys.

Pew pew.

Peace and take you grandkids to a cinema or something, not wasting time here talking war. Its so undignified.

It has been the PDF Chinese who talks the toughest about 'nuking' this country and that country. So do not think you can lecture to the Americans here about warfare. After all, the few that have served time in the military are Americans. Not the PDF Chinese.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

It has been the PDF Chinese who talks the toughest about 'nuking' this country and that country. So do not think you can lecture to the Americans here about warfare. After all, the few that have served time in the military are Americans. Not the PDF Chinese.

I am Chinese and I post on pdf and I have never talked about nuking other countries.

I am not lecturing about warfare, I am lecturing against warfare. Dont accuse me of lecturing you on how to kill, you are way out of my league by orders of magnitude.



"tell me, Does man, that marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbor's children starving?"

A cowboy like you dont give a shit because to you desert storm is the greatest thing in the world, judging from the way you talk about it.

 

[gambit]

A cowboy like you dont give a shit because to you desert storm is the greatest thing in the world, judging from the way you talk about it.

This is why people should not take you PDF Chinese seriously when it comes to military issues.

I do not think Desert Storm is the greatest. But what I do think is common sense, something sorely lacking in your crew.

Technology consistently presents problems in education. Namely, technology usually gives us options we either never thought about or that we thought about but have yet to exercise. The point here, and let us confine ourselves to the theme of this forum, is that when you have two or more paths of accomplishing a goal in warfare, you have to study which is more efficient and hopefully applicable to your needs.

For a simplified example: How to kill a lot of soldiers ?

One way is to use a lot of soldiers shooting single shot rifles. Another way is to use a few soldiers but with a machine gun. Each method have its unique tactics.

The machine gun did not come around until the mid-19th century. The first single shot firearm was in your country -- China -- at around 13th century. So now we have nearly 600 yrs between combat tactics involving firearms.

If YOU are going to teach a class on how to kill a lot of soldiers, and if you have a machine gun, are you going to teach your soldiers on the tactics of the single shot rifles ? As of now, the machine gun is essentially in the hands of every soldier. But are you going to teach battlefield movements based upon how muskets produced those movements ?

From the machine gun, we now have aircrafts, missiles, submarines, and the means to coordinate them all. So from the machine gun to now, instead of 600 yrs, we have less than 200 yrs of the evolution of warfare. Thousands of yrs of fighting in two dimensions, in less than two hundred yrs, we now fight in three dimensions.

Military academies worldwide would not want you clueless PDF Chinese who mocks me about using Desert Storm, the most recent warfare event that changed how armies fight the way the machine gun changed warfare. You, a Chinese who most likely never shot any firearm in his life, what to you know about warfare and combat ?

But going back to this thread, the PLA have nothing but apprehension about US. The PLA is not a rebellious force, but an organized army designed to project its power. As such, its combat tactics will be conventional, as in set piece battles, or variations thereof. But the PLA will not engage in guerrilla tactics. That means Desert Storm. Not Korea, Not Viet Nam. Not Afghanistan. Not Somalia. Not Panama. And certainly not the China-Viet Nam border conflict of 1979.

You can consider Desert Storm as the modern machine gun. Your PLA may have it, but the US military is the master of it 10 times over.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

@gambit

You are lecturing the wrong ape.

I have always maintained American superiority in war and the trend to continue for the next 3 decades.

Why talk war when peace is so much prettier? You do remember peace right? Im sure there was the occasional abberation when your country was not at war.

War is for the small countries with small stakes. A war with China is simply absurd and more in the realm of fiction and strutting cocks. Stick to the catch 22 of blasting religious nutjobs and the middle eastern hellhole, its pointless but far safer, more popular and cheaper.

 

[Zhu Rong Zheng Yang]

Why were the mightily overhyped US Navy Sailors
Kneeling so willingly and so quickly in front of
our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers ??

Answer from Gambit : >> ... ...We have balls of stainless steel, son

... ...We have balls of stainless steel, son.

I was wondering for a while ... ... beside many americans are Naturally being Born Cowards -- what other factors are in play there -- when US Navy Sailors Kneeling so willingly and so quickly to Surrender
in front of our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers.

Aha, ... ...apparently carrying Balls of Steel are too heavy for the mightily overhyped US Navy Sailors.

===

China can surely afford to deal with India, just make sure you have someone's for cry again : we can make India navy-less with DF-21D, we can make India capital-less with our cheap long range rocket, we can make India worthless without water...how many more "less" you want from China

Kiss_of_the_Dragon, brother you are the funniest in rubbing Brown Stuff in Indian faces
such as @Joe Shearer and @Providence



===

Thats the ball of steel that is now so heavy that u can't even run, not even from Afghanistan??


When u run wd these balls they are just damaging ur backyard
Balls of steel

american soldiers Balls of Steel are so heavy, they are damaging american soldiers Backyard ... ...




US Navy Sailors carrying their Balls of Steel were Kneeling so willingly
and so quickly to Surrender -- in front of our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why were the mightily overhyped US Navy Sailors
Kneeling so willingly and so quickly in front of
our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers ??

Answer from Gambit : >> ... ...We have balls of stainless steel, son





I was wondering for a while ... ... beside many americans are Naturally being Born Cowards -- what other factors are in play there -- when US Navy Sailors Kneeling so willingly and so quickly to Surrender
in front of our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers.

Aha, ... ...apparently carrying Balls of Steel are too heavy for the mightily overhyped US Navy Sailors.

===



Kiss_of_the_Dragon, brother you are the funniest in rubbing Brown Stuff in Indian faces
such as @Joe Shearer and @Providence



===



american soldiers Balls of Steel are so heavy, they are damaging american soldiers Backyard ... ...




US Navy Sailors carrying their Balls of Steel were Kneeling so willingly
and so quickly to Surrender -- in front of our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers

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LOL.

Still making your points with smileys, bold text and funny pictures?

Come back when you have grown up, twenty years later.

 

[X-2.]

Why were the mightily overhyped US Navy Sailors
Kneeling so willingly and so quickly in front of
our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers ??

Answer from Gambit : >> ... ...We have balls of stainless steel, son





I was wondering for a while ... ... beside many americans are Naturally being Born Cowards -- what other factors are in play there -- when US Navy Sailors Kneeling so willingly and so quickly to Surrender
in front of our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers.

Aha, ... ...apparently carrying Balls of Steel are too heavy for the mightily overhyped US Navy Sailors.

===



Kiss_of_the_Dragon, brother you are the funniest in rubbing Brown Stuff in Indian faces
such as @Joe Shearer and @Providence



===



american soldiers Balls of Steel are so heavy, they are damaging american soldiers Backyard ... ...




US Navy Sailors carrying their Balls of Steel were Kneeling so willingly
and so quickly to Surrender -- in front of our BRAVE IRANIAN Brothers

View attachment 324077

stain less steel

Where is American guy gone ??

The problem with your limited thinking is that you believe we do not learn.

In fact, do not lecture to US about Viet Nam when there was Iraq -- twice. As for Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban from power in a few weeks.

If you think you know enough to lecture, then lecture to China. We have Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What does China have ?


This is an argument of a 12 yr old.


We have balls of stainless steel, son.

Stainless steel lolz I can show u hundreds of such stuff but we do respect dead bodies even that u guys has no balls to do so... just couple to calm ur stainless steel balls

stain less steel

Where is American guy gone ??
After 16 years with number of world powers all along u can't even have control of half of Afghanistan and Taliban playing wd u in the capital Kabul ??? This is what u talking abt
For Iraq Google chilkot report in which Tony Blair himself accepted they were wrong this is your morality ground and so called justice by killing innocent ppl



Stainless steel lolz I can show u hundreds of such stuff but we do respect dead bodies even that u guys has no balls to do so... just couple to calm ur stainless steel balls

 

[Jlaw]

I am Chinese and I post on pdf and I have never talked about nuking other countries.

I am not lecturing about warfare, I am lecturing against warfare. Dont accuse me of lecturing you on how to kill, you are way out of my league by orders of magnitude.



"tell me, Does man, that marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbor's children starving?"

A cowboy like you dont give a shit because to you desert storm is the greatest thing in the world, judging from the way you talk about it.

He didn't even fight....

 

[gambit]

Why talk war when peace is so much prettier?

Tell that to your fellow PDF Chinese who usually talks casually of 'nuking'.

War is for the small countries with small stakes.

A 'stake' maybe small from a different perspective, but if China is willing to go to war against Asia over the SCS, then THIS stake is not small.

A war with China is simply absurd and more in the realm of fiction and strutting cocks.

Too bad China's leadership does not take the opposite: A war against the US is simply absurd...

I notice the consistent intellectual dishonesty in the PDF Chinese and your suck-ups. The argument is always aimed at US, as in how stupid it is to stand against China, but never the other way around, implying that China is in the absolute right.

Stick to the catch 22 of blasting religious nutjobs and the middle eastern hellhole, its pointless but far safer, more popular and cheaper.

And pass up the chance of taking on a modern military ? After all, so many people here criticized US for fighting against small countries.

Here is the deal...

Once the US Navy sank the PLAN and China capitulate on the SCS, those critics will turn on your China by saying that China is just another one of those 'small countries', that is why the US military won.

Forget about 'nuking'. Face maybe uber alles in China, but not at the expense of a nuclear exchange. The SCS is not worth it. Everything was peaceful before China tried to claim the entirety of the SCS, and once the PLAN is no longer a threat, the SCS will be peaceful again.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Tell that to your fellow PDF Chinese who usually talks casually of 'nuking'.

US is deploy military at our door step...and you expect us to talk peace with them? LMAO. With a simple deployment of the Chinese civilian 981 oil rig near Vietnam, you Vietnamese already cried for wolf and aggressively burn Taiwanese factory...so don't pretend you guys react better then us, it is pure hypocrisy. If American really want peace with China, they should have been neutral over SCS and Diaoyu Island, but the way they instigate as stir up trouble don't inspire peace but war.