First Photos of Destroyed Leopard and Bradley’s, confirmed

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684586025731993601

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684626583829499905

Staromaiorske is liberated!

 

[aziqbal]

Omg what a absolute bloody disaster those poor souls, NATO fighting Russia until last Ukrainian

How sad and simply sick

Not a single mine clearing vehicle in sight and no air cover

Russians rained hell down on them Lancet arrives at 0:45 and ATGM, mortars, mines and shells

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684603840417394688

 

[jhungary]

what rubbish have you wrote did you even read it

lol, sure, you don't even know what type of damage explosive drone deal??

You damage something by explosion, if that thing was damaged or destroyed by said damage, you would have secondary, again, the method is loud, the result cannot be silent. Because it would be a kinetic attack

Do you understand how stupid it is to say you want to killed something with explosive without explosion, that's all that explosive does.

Dude, you lost the plot here.

 

[aziqbal]

lol, sure, you don't even know what type of damage explosive drone deal??

You damage something by explosion, if that thing was damaged or destroyed by said damage, you would have secondary, again, the method is loud, the result cannot be silent. Because it would be a kinetic attack

Do you understand how stupid it is to say you want to killed something with explosive without explosion, that's all that explosive does.

Dude, you lost the plot here.

Keep crying more Bradley’s destroyed this morning

Omg what a absolute bloody disaster those poor souls, NATO fighting Russia until last Ukrainian

How sad and simply sick

Not a single mine clearing vehicle in sight and no air cover

Russians rained hell down on them Lancet arrives at 0:45 and ATGM, mortars, mines and shells

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684603840417394688

Jhungary satisfied now with all these explosions ???

Did it satisfy you that orthodox Christian’s are killing each other while catholic are celebrating ???

The most radical Christian always saying he’s wants to see Ukrainian vehicles EXPLODE

Lancet is not enough to satisfy this radical

Well here you have many explosions watch until toot heart is contempt

 

[aziqbal]

NATO equipment over rated and over priced

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684963626690461696

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685018361682333696

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685018365813776386

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685018369076916226

 

[Sandwalk]

Russia Army as the legacy of Soviet Union, is mainly land oriented. This is what they are good at.

Russia sits on a huge chunk of mostly flat boreal land and eastern Europe including Ukraine is a extention of the great Eurasian plain.

Without significant air superiority, the odds are low for a Ukranian millitary victory over Russia.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Krab eats Lancet drone

Western fanboys be like

“oh but lancet cannot destroy armor it has only 3kg warhead “

“Oh but lancet need good luck”

“Oh but Lancet cannot damage armor”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684174002833481728

Where is the "burning"? All i see is a small explosion - and then the video cuts out...

looks like it may have scratched the paint job a little and not much more...

 

[aziqbal]

Where is the "burning"? All i see is a small explosion - and then the video cuts out...

looks like it may have scratched the paint job a little and not much more...

I agree better video is needed

Lancets favorite food is krab

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683146900994654210

 

[LeGenD]

There is a video from Iraq, Isis fired a Kornet (~4,5kg warhead) and it hit the left cheek from the front in an angle something around 30-40°, the most armored part of the whole Abrams tank. Or any other tank in the world! It penetrated first the whole turret armor and then the door to the ammo bunker, so the crew inside got burned to death.

https://imgur.com/a/0zovmt0

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Where is the proof that the crew inside was burned to death? It looks like blowout panels prevented a catastrophic explosion. The problem with YouTubers is that they can post edited contents and create whole stories from them.

 

[NotSure]

Where is the proof that the crew inside was burned to death? It looks like blowout panels prevented a catastrophic explosion. The problem with YouTubers is that they can post edited contents and create whole stories from them.

Well, guess what happens, when the HEAT beam penetrates the ammo bunker door from the inside, thats the point here. You have burning ammo with a huge overpressure and a hole from this to the crew compartment. Plus all the effects from the Kornet HEAT beam itself and the penetrated main armor.

The only way the crew could have survived this, is by not beeing inside the tank at all. Maybe this was the case, maybe, but this is not the archievement of the Abrams armor.

The video posted by jhungary is an another story, the Metis hits the ammo compartment from the side, so the blowout panels were able to work like intended.

 

[NotSure]

Sure, explain to me how 3KG of PETN (which is considered the best explosive, which I doubt is what Lancet drone made of) of 8400 m/s detonation velocity and 1.76g/cm3 density can pack enough punch to defeat 900mm RHA armour. You aren't talking about projectile charge (like APFSDS round) nor tandem charge, you are talking about High Explosive warhead.

Go on, I am waiting.


It's your own god damn graph

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Tell me, which area have more space you can put armour on? The circle in blue or the circle in red?

Everyone knows the top portion of the tank is less protected than the main chassis, because that's where the gun and all the equipment were, it would not have enough space to put armour in.

Beside, you still have not address any of the issue, how the crew escape if the tank was destroyed. Fire happened BEFORE the crew bailed. And how the tank manages to move after the fire? Both suggested the tank was not destroyed, I can't say for sure it is penetrated, but I doubt it actually was, because the commander will not be able to bail out post fire.

You are a laughing stock. You don't even the know the most basic things about your own murican MBT or even the most basic things about every tank in the world: The turret cheeks are ALWAYS the most protected part. And then you start arguing and polluting this and other threads with huge amounts of garbage text. Every jhungary post the same story, the same behavrior pattern.

 

[LeGenD]

Well, guess what happens, when the HEAT beam penetrates the ammo bunker door from the inside, thats the point here. You have burning ammo with a huge overpressure and a hole from this to the crew compartment. Plus all the effects from the Kornet HEAT beam itself and the penetrated main armor.

The only way the crew could have survived this, is by not beeing inside the tank at all. Maybe this was the case, maybe, but this is not the archievement of the Abrams armor.

The video posted by jhungary is an another story, the Metis hits the ammo compartment from the side, so the blowout panels were able to work like intended.

Do you have close-up shots of this tank to support your claim? I can say that the ammo compartment was struck and penetrated, but blowout panel(s) prevented a catastrophic explosion.

Iraqi M1A1M are not comparable to American M1A2 variants but have given very tough time to ISIS in various battles. Keep this fact in mind.

The 'Beast of Hit,' Abrams Tank Plays Role in Iraqi Fight against ISIS

The U.S. military played up the role of an M1A1 Abrams tank used by the Iraqis against ISIS in Anbar province.

www.military.com

 

[LeGenD]

to be fair the Bradley actually is a very good IFV probably the best In the World, in Iraq War it destroyed more Iraqi armour than the M1 Abrams and they lost only 3 units

just shy of 30 tons and with speeds of over 40mph this is a basically a taxi tank which can TOW tanks from range

it has tried to be replaced 2 times and US Army wouldn't have any other vehicle

working along with the Leopard 2A6 which has speed and manoeuvrability the combination of Leopard + Bradley = 2 very fast very heavily armoured vehicles

working in a 2:1 ratio they are ideal to perform armoured thrusts deep into enemy territory

however what West didnt realise is that Russia is not Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen

Russia is a top standing World power and has shown that overrated overpriced over engineered Western equipment is totally inadequate for a armoured warfare against a level foe

and as if that was not enough they are being destroyed in large numbers by Lancet drones costing $35,000

Russias must be laughing all the way to the bank, Bradley cost is $6 million Leopard $8 million

It is really shortsighted to make a blanket claim that Western equipment is overpriced and over-engineered. Different countries in the West develop their own weapon systems and it is important to understand how these fit into respective defensive schemes or plug capability gaps.

Ukraine was not equipped to fight a war with Russia, this much was apparent when Russia took Crimea in 2014. Ukraine attempted to improve its defenses but Western support was slow to come.

American tanks are far more survivable than any tank given to Ukraine:

M1A2 SEP baseline armor is better than T-90S with Kontakt-5 ERA.

M1A2 SEPv2 baseline armor is better than M1A2 SEP baseline armor. M1A2 SEPv2 can also be equipped with ARAT / TUSK / TUSK II ERA and Trophy APS.

M1A2 SEPv3 baseline armor is even better than M1A2 SEPv2 baseline armor. M1A2 SEPv3 can also be equipped with ARAT / TUSK / TUSK II ERA and Trophy APS.

This photo shows an American M1A2 variant equipped with ARAT and Trophy APS:

You can do the math now.

Russian Lancet loitering munition is impressive but American forces are no stranger to drone warfare:

How the Army Out-Innovated the Islamic State’s Drones - War on the Rocks

A few short years ago, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant’s improvised attack drones were widely believed to be a threat so grave they could become

warontherocks.com

American forces can also bring a large number of anti air defenses to the field:

M-SHORAD

American inventory = 162
Ukrainian inventory = 0

AN/TWQ-1 Avenger

American inventory = 1100+
Ukrainian inventory = 20

MIM-104 Patriot

PAC-3

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American inventory = 60+
Ukrainian inventory = 2

Ukrainian forces have received a mix of air defense systems from different countries but inventory is limited in the present.

US has not claimed that Ukraine has superiority over Russia in the present.
US is making sure that Ukraine has a fighting chance against Russia.

Understand the difference.

Russia has spent years to prepare to fight a hybrid war with another country with a large variety of weapon systems and battle tactics. US has developed the required level of combined arms operations capability to defeat Russia (or another country) in a hybrid war but Ukrainian forces have capability gaps in this regime that US can help plug in time.