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A long-delayed Indian Army program finally gets the go ahead.

By Debalina Ghoshal
January 03, 2015

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In late November, the Indian Army’s artillery breathed a sigh of relief when the government gave clearance to a Rs. 15,570 crore ($2.5 billion) project for mountain artillery guns. The news came just a month after the Indian government cleared 80,000 crore worth of defense project deals. The guns to be purchased are 155 mm/52 caliber with a range of 40 km and will be part of the “Buy & Make India” program. At present, there is a plan to acquire 814 guns for the Indian Army. While 100 guns would be acquired off the shelf, the remainder of the 714 guns would be made in India.

This is a major boost to the Indian Army’s artillery, which has not acquired guns since the Bofors’ scam in the 1980s. India had already cancelled the acquisition of self-propelled 155 mm/52 caliber guns on the grounds that they failed to meet requirements. The only progress that was made in artillery was an upgrade to the Russian 130 mm/39 caliber M46 guns to 155 mm/45 caliber, which increased the range from 26 km to 39 km.

A ban on South Africa’s Denel had adverse repercussions for the progress of the Indian Army’s Bhim Artillery Project, an indigenous project under which Denel proposed to install a 155 mm gun on the Indian-made Arjun tank chassis. Now, though, given the government’s fast-track approach to procuring weapon systems for the Army, Air Force, and Navy, there is reason to believe that other lagging projects of the Indian Army’s Artillery could be about to get a boost. This haste in decision-making regarding defense procurements is due to the new government’s desire to “clear a backlog of defense orders” in order to provide an impetus to India’s military capability and boost its defense preparedness. China and Pakistan are already enhancing their artillery strength and India cannot afford to be left behind.

Several Indian companies are vying for the Army’s artillery project, namely TATA, L&T, and Bharat Forge, which can either develop the guns completely or build the guns in collaboration with a foreign firm. For instance, L&T has entered into an agreement with France’s Nexter Systems to offer the guns, while Mahindra Defence has joined with BAE systems. In August 2014, reports came in that India had lifted its ban on South Africa’s Denel company while in November 2014, India has also lifted its ban on Israeli Military Industries (IMI) and intends to plan for the future possibility of manufacturing ammunition for its 155 mm guns.

As New Delhi considers national security to be of “paramount concern” for the government, addressing the bottlenecks and hurdles in the defense procurement process will ensure that the “pace of acquisition is not stymied.” In July 2014, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley raised the foreign investment limit that can be contributed to the domestic defense industry from 29 percent to 49 percent in the hope of attracting more of its main arms suppliers in order to “reshape the defense industrial base dominated by state firms.” Under the new government, India has boosted defense spending by 12 per cent.

India’s decision to clear the 155 mm/52 caliber guns will no doubt lend momentum to the Indian Army’s artillery modernization program, and could cause foreign firms to “revisit their strategies” for the Indian market. It is clear that India is now keen on moving towards self-reliance with state-of-the-art equipment, rather than just buying complete systems from foreign firms.

Debalina Ghoshal is an Associate Fellow at the Centre for Air Power Studies.

Finally, Mountain Guns for India | The Diplomat
 
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A long-delayed Indian Army program finally gets the go ahead.

By Debalina Ghoshal
January 03, 2015

M777_ultra_Light_weight_towed_field_artilery_gun_howitzer_United_States_US-Army_640.jpg


In late November, the Indian Army’s artillery breathed a sigh of relief when the government gave clearance to a Rs. 15,570 crore ($2.5 billion) project for mountain artillery guns. The news came just a month after the Indian government cleared 80,000 crore worth of defense project deals. The guns to be purchased are 155 mm/52 caliber with a range of 40 km and will be part of the “Buy & Make India” program. At present, there is a plan to acquire 814 guns for the Indian Army. While 100 guns would be acquired off the shelf, the remainder of the 714 guns would be made in India.

This is a major boost to the Indian Army’s artillery, which has not acquired guns since the Bofors’ scam in the 1980s. India had already cancelled the acquisition of self-propelled 155 mm/52 caliber guns on the grounds that they failed to meet requirements. The only progress that was made in artillery was an upgrade to the Russian 130 mm/39 caliber M46 guns to 155 mm/45 caliber, which increased the range from 26 km to 39 km.

A ban on South Africa’s Denel had adverse repercussions for the progress of the Indian Army’s Bhim Artillery Project, an indigenous project under which Denel proposed to install a 155 mm gun on the Indian-made Arjun tank chassis. Now, though, given the government’s fast-track approach to procuring weapon systems for the Army, Air Force, and Navy, there is reason to believe that other lagging projects of the Indian Army’s Artillery could be about to get a boost. This haste in decision-making regarding defense procurements is due to the new government’s desire to “clear a backlog of defense orders” in order to provide an impetus to India’s military capability and boost its defense preparedness. China and Pakistan are already enhancing their artillery strength and India cannot afford to be left behind.

Several Indian companies are vying for the Army’s artillery project, namely TATA, L&T, and Bharat Forge, which can either develop the guns completely or build the guns in collaboration with a foreign firm. For instance, L&T has entered into an agreement with France’s Nexter Systems to offer the guns, while Mahindra Defence has joined with BAE systems. In August 2014, reports came in that India had lifted its ban on South Africa’s Denel company while in November 2014, India has also lifted its ban on Israeli Military Industries (IMI) and intends to plan for the future possibility of manufacturing ammunition for its 155 mm guns.

As New Delhi considers national security to be of “paramount concern” for the government, addressing the bottlenecks and hurdles in the defense procurement process will ensure that the “pace of acquisition is not stymied.” In July 2014, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley raised the foreign investment limit that can be contributed to the domestic defense industry from 29 percent to 49 percent in the hope of attracting more of its main arms suppliers in order to “reshape the defense industrial base dominated by state firms.” Under the new government, India has boosted defense spending by 12 per cent.

India’s decision to clear the 155 mm/52 caliber guns will no doubt lend momentum to the Indian Army’s artillery modernization program, and could cause foreign firms to “revisit their strategies” for the Indian market. It is clear that India is now keen on moving towards self-reliance with state-of-the-art equipment, rather than just buying complete systems from foreign firms.

Debalina Ghoshal is an Associate Fellow at the Centre for Air Power Studies.

Finally, Mountain Guns for India | The Diplomat
Great contenders Anyone???
 
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What happened to dhanush, did the army scrap or did not gave ordet after all thr trail completed. And did DRDO are developing any gun
 
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Great contenders Anyone???

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What happened to dhanush, did the army scrap or did not gave ordet after all thr trail completed. And did DRDO are developing any gun

Dhanush doesn't belong to the class of light howitzers suitable for mountainous terrain.
 
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As New Delhi considers national security to be of “paramount concern” for the government, addressing the bottlenecks and hurdles in the defense procurement process will ensure that the “pace of acquisition is not stymied.”



:azn: Told you all there is a reason for this a years ago. Many would not heed that info. Sonia and Rahul are simply too f-king dumb and corrupt to lead India. Modi after reviewing the intel has seen what we are up against. There is a major reason why we are pushing for better relations with the US. I'll leave it to yourself to figure it out.
 
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What happened to dhanush, did the army scrap or did not gave ordet after all thr trail completed. And did DRDO are developing any gun

Dhanush is a 45 calibre gun. Requirement is for 52 calibre. The ATAG being discussed at the DRDO is 52 caliber.
@Chanakya's_Chant M777 is not in the running. Its 39 calibre.
 
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Dhanush doesn't belong to the class of light howitzers suitable for mountainous terrain.
Sorry i think you miss understood the news they want 155/52 cal and both the pic you shown is wrong it 155/39 cal and the news did not mention that IA or MoD want light Gun.
 
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Chill guys, since MoD started with the habbit to fool the world with DAC clearances, everybody is jumping the gun for no reasons. :disagree:

1) The article is BS and not even news, as it refers to a DAC clearance from november and not a new one:

Manohar Parrikar greenlights purchase of 814 artillery guns worth Rs 15,750 crore | The Indian Express


2) It has nothing to do with mountain, but is for mounted guns

3) The DAC clearance only means, that the tender was cleared (and I lost count how often that happend now) not that any procurement will happen soon

4) The mountain howitzers deal is still limited to the M777 and pending without any decision so far
 
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Buy and Make ? Isn't it an oxymoron ?

No, because it means that a foreign product will be procured but build under licence in India.

C130 / C17 => Buy
Avro replacement, M-MRCA => Buy and Make
 
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No, because it means that a foreign product will be procured but build under licence in India.

C130 / C17 => Buy
Avro replacement, M-MRCA => Buy and Make

Does this mean that India would insist on buy and make even for low quantity purchases?
 
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Does this mean that India would insist on buy and make even for low quantity purchases?

No, because low quantities wouldn't justify a production line, even the 40 aircrafts that are supposed to be produced in India as the Avro replacement, are considered by the industry as too low, to make a production line profitable. So Buy and Make works only for big ticket procurements and of course only with countries that are ready to divert ToT, therefor not with the US so far.
 
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Chill guys, since MoD started with the habbit to fool the world with DAC clearances, everybody is jumping the gun for no reasons. :disagree:

1) The article is BS and not even news, as it refers to a DAC clearance from november and not a new one:

Manohar Parrikar greenlights purchase of 814 artillery guns worth Rs 15,750 crore | The Indian Express


2) It has nothing to do with mountain, but is for mounted guns

3) The DAC clearance only means, that the tender was cleared (and I lost count how often that happend now) not that any procurement will happen soon

4) The mountain howitzers deal is still limited to the M777 and pending without any decision so far

At least things have started moving, government of India is back from a 3 years vacation, be positive. :)
 
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