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Do I really have to mouth feed you ??
Indian shipyards import 80% of components | Business Line
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Bro,
I never claimed that all these products are indigenous. My point was showing them that we do have the capability to make them at home.
Yes,I am equally worried as you for the lack of indigenous content in the armed forces as you. We do have the capability and capacity but still we import.
But I can never ever agree with you calling the junkyards and other such names. They have chosen to work for their own country instead of migrating to some foreign lands. These guys earn just as much a decent call centre employ and has no glamour in their professional life. Definitly , I would have gone and worked for some other country if I was in their position
Recently ,I got involved big time in Student Satellite program and then only I realized the amount of hardwork put on each of these project. Now I have nothing short of respect for these men.
And there you nailed it buddy. I believe that it was organized by our space science related agencies , not DRDO or our money eating shipyards(actually angry with MDL only.)
C'mon man give India some credit beside some basic welding and painting , at least the ship look stealthy to me, I hope the artistic sketch is done by Indians.
Bro Indian shipyars import 80% of their equipment. From engines to almost all radars and missiles. Indian contribution is bare minimum. Accept it.
Mate no offense but these PSUs & DRDO are just junk yard nothing less. So poorly equipped & trained(if they are trained , they do it just for promotions nothing less nothing more. I just know these things somehow.)
Complete the Kolkatas first,which have been in waters for god knows how many years。
After the nod the stocks of Isreali defence firms will shoot up, because of the $10 bill they will be supplying $9 bill of equipment. All missiles, sonars, electronics will be imported and so will be the steel. Value addition from India will come in form of basic welding and putting foreign kits together.
Complete the Kolkatas first,which have been in waters for god knows how many years。
P-17A will collectively be the best frigate in the world.
They say it will be in the 6700-ton category, but they said Shivalik will be in the 4500-ton category
when it was being built and it turns out to be 6200 tons when completed.
They also seemed to be downplaying the tonnage of the P-15A DDGs also. The old P-15 Delhi was
already 6900 tons, now they're saying the P-15A is only 100 tons more? I find that hard to believe.
P-17A FFG may turn out to be 7000-7500 tons, challenging PLAN's Type-052C DDGs in terms of
tonnage, if it is equipped with BrahMos-II Mach 7 cruise missiles when completed, it will be one ship
to watch out for.
I wonder what combat management system it uses, the Shivalik used the CMS-17.
You can't compare power punch of warship with their tonnage. Russian Gorshkov class frigate have same power punch as Shivalik class frigate. You should compare that their armament, radar, sonar, battle management system etc.
Kolkata class destroyers holds many fold more power punch despite slicely more weighted then Delhi class destroyers because it has reenforced fiber & carbon composites to reduce weight & RCS. If it would make on basis of Delhi class destroyers then it will cross 8000 ton.
I'm not saying P-17A FFG will be the best FFG in the world because it's got the biggest tonnage, I am saying it wrt to the capability of the systems involved: -
What other frigate has a better radar than the MF-STAR AESA?
What other frigate has a better ASCM than BrahMos (or better still BrahMos-II)?
What other frigate has a better SAM than Barak-2?
About the tonnage issue, there are a lot more factors than just type of materials used in construction. Consider this: -
The Type-45 Daring-class DDG of the British Royal Navy has a stealthy superstructure, employs probably some of the best warship-construction methods in the world, can carry 8 Harpoon CMs and upto 48 Aster-15/30 SAMs, and comes with close-in defence systems like Phalanx, 30mm guns etc.
It's all-up displacement is said to be about 8,000 tons.
Now look at the P-15A Kolkata-class DDG of the Indian Navy - it carries 16 BrahMos CMs, upto 48 Barak-2 SAMs, and 4 30mm guns, one big 100mm gun and oh yeah, it's construction methods are not as advanced as the Daring's.
So how come it weighs in 1,000 tons less?
It definitely ought to displace as much as, if not more than, the Daring.
You can count US frigate for comparison for Radar , anti ship capability, SAM and also the main one battle management system.
You make a insult to British warship building industry to compare there class apart Type 45 destroyers with Kolkata class destroyers.
Aster SAM is class apart compare to Barak-2
you think Harpoon is a simple missile compare to Brahmos.
Okay...tell me son, what US frigate should I compare P-17/P-17A with?
As I expected, your argument lacks substance. I did not say P-15A is constructed with superior techniques to what was used in Daring. Yeah, sure, our shipyards are junk compared to the Brit ones, but where is your point?
You did not explain how Type-45 weighs in more than P-15A's supposed displacement despite carrying smaller number of missiles and using more advanced construction methods??
Answer me, boy.
This shows that you don't know a thing about Barak-2. By chance, are you confusing Barak-2 with the Barak-1 close-in SAM?
.Nonsense and more nonsense. Are you here to put up a constructive discussion or just spew up BS?
I never compared Harpoon with PJ-10. But you can do it if you like - but let me tell you PJ-10 surpasses Harpoon in respect to speed, range and hitting power. Harpoon on the other hand is slower but can stay hidden from radar horizon for a longer period of time, provided the ship's crew press all the right buttons
My point however was different, it was wrt to the weight - I said that Daring has provision to carry 8 Harpoons, while Kolkata can carry 16 BrahMos PJ-10s. 16 is equal to 2 x 8...twice as many CMs as Daring.
And point #2 - a single Harpoon hardly weighs 700kg I think (correct me if I'm wrong), so 8 means a total of around 5,500kgs.
A single BrahMos weighs 3,000kgs, so 16 such missiles means 48,000kgs.
So who is carrying a greater weapon load?