Final clearance eludes Tejas light combat aircraft

[Jayanta]

Why would you need a lighter fighter jet when you have Sukhoi-30 & 5th Gen Stealth onboard? Moreover, There would be no comparison of 5th gen stealth against 4+ Gen fighter if war occurs.

It would work as a base for developing indigenous fighters. One cannot always be dependent on imported fighters, you never know when a sanction is imposed or when a suppliers refuses to supply crucial parts during crunch situations. LCA although have foreign component has given rise to an indigenous program.
Well it might have taken a little more time than expected, but the experience gained will reap benefits in the long run. It takes some time for things to mature...be it our missile programs, space programs..all had its fair share of delays and failures....but once things got streamlined...."success k piche nehi excellence k piche bhago"...kamyabi jhank marke piche aayegi.

 

[IndoUS]

Why would you need a lighter fighter jet when you have Sukhoi-30 & 5th Gen Stealth onboard? Moreover, There would be no comparison of 5th gen stealth against 4+ Gen fighter if war occurs.

Because they will have different roles Su-30 are heavy class fighters and it would be waste to use them for point defense which is the job LCA would be filling in.

 

[Trawllu]

Why would you need a lighter fighter jet when you have Sukhoi-30 & 5th Gen Stealth onboard? Moreover, There would be no comparison of 5th gen stealth against 4+ Gen fighter if war occurs.

point defence role CAS role BARCAP role requires low cost (flying cost) planes which is the role to be performed by LCA also High Availability high sortie rate so we need light fighter

nothing new in this news

all these wa reported 3-4 months back that FOC will happen by mar/jun 2015

the new thing or mistake in this article are

1. Mk3
2. SP1 will fly in a few days

 

[Hurter]

It would work as a base for developing indigenous fighters. One cannot always be dependent on imported fighters, you never know when a sanction is imposed or when a suppliers refuses to supply crucial parts during crunch situations. LCA although have foreign component has given rise to an indigenous program.
Well it might have taken a little more time than expected, but the experience gained will reap benefits in the long run. It takes some time for things to mature...be it our missile programs, space programs..all had its fair share of delays and failures....but once things got streamlined...."success k piche nehi excellence k piche bhago"...kamyabi jhank marke piche aayegi.

O Bhai, its very unlikely that sanctions would imposed on India. Atleast U.S & Russia would not do that & Israel is one of the biggest ally. You don't buy arms from China. So who is left?

 

[janon]

That is a good point to make when debating with a paksitani. But that's not the real fact is it ?

PAF did not participate because ,

1. Pak. govt. claimed "freedom fighters" have occupied the heights, not pak army.
2. PAF was not in the loop, it was a PA operation
3. The civilian pak govt. did not authorise Defence action
4. US pressure
5. IAF was careful NEVER to cross into pak border.

Non of which had to do with IAF "capability". Come a real war, PAF will participate even if they do not have capability. Its silly to think they will be "scared" to participate .. anyway all this is off topic.

The IAF did cross the boundary on a few occasion. From an interview of PAF's war hero Cecil Chaudhry:

On this occasion, I gather the Indian MiG-27s did cross the LOC briefly and the local NLI commander who was having the crap bombed out of him called in desparately for support- the PAF, which had been frustrated at having to sit it out till now, saw an opportunity to bloody the IAF nose as they were reported to have crossed the LOC. Two Falcons on alert were vectored into the MiGs, but received the jolt of their lives when an IAF MiG-29 locked onto BOTH of them. They tried to break lock- but the MiG persisted, and while I do agree they could have pressed home- there were some controlling factors:
1) strict orders not to cross the LOC
2) Hell, they thought they were about to get a salvo of R-27s up their noses...as an aside, one of the Falcon pilots was a greenhorn and was pretty shaken by this experience - got razzed to death for weeks afterwards.

Yes it was initiated by the PA, and the PAF did not know about it initially. And why do you think that'show they planned it? The operation was devised by the highest war planners, including the army chief and two or three corps commanders. Why do you think they did not want to involve the PAF? Because at that time, they knew that the PAF stood no chance. PAF was later in the loop, ordered to defend their airspace - and even when the IAF violated it a few times, they did not engage. As for civilian govt not authorizing it - as if the Pak military needs govt permission for that. The war itself was not authorized by the govt. And after the war the govt was overthrown by the military. You really think they needed govt approval?

Anyway, even if the PAF did not participate, bombing those heights was no easy task. It required a lot of skill to do precision bombing at those heights. On some occasions, the pilots had to use a handheld stopwatch and compass for navigation.

Your intial statement that the IAF has not fought a war since 19471 is just plain wrong. Ground attack is also part of war, not just A2A fights.

1) Why would you need a lighter fighter jet when you have Sukhoi-30 & 5th Gen Stealth onboard?
2) Moreover, There would be no comparison of 5th gen stealth against 4+ Gen fighter if war occurs.

1) To keep costs down, both for purchase as well as through their operational lives. We need 40 squadrons, and we cannot affford to have only MKIs and Rafales and FGFAs.

2) Our adversaries will also have a lot of non stealth aircrafts. The tejas can be quite useful against the bulk of the PAF fleet, and a lot of the PLAAF fleet. Only the USAF will be an all 5th gen air force. Besides, taking on other fighters is not the only role of modern multirole aircrafts - CAP, CAS, ground attack - all of these don't need stealth, most of the time.

 

[halupridol]

@janon
"On some occasions, the pilots had to use a handheld stopwatch and compass for navigation."
???
for real

 

[janon]

O Bhai, its very unlikely that sanctions would imposed on India. Atleast U.S & Russia would not do that & Israel is one of the biggest ally. You don't buy arms from China. So who is left?

US very well might. Russia may not impose sanctions, but any political troubles there, and the supply chain gets disrupted. We have experienced that with Russian wares.

Anyway, neither of them have cheap, modern light fighters. Besides, making an aviation industry in India will bring a lot of return on investment. Not to mention the fact that billions of dollars will be spent within India, and not paid to Russia or US.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Not sure about the aircraft but certainly some dumb members are apparent on the forum.

KLJ-7 is a multi–function X-band Pulse-Doppler fire control radar. It was developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (NRIET), also known as the China Electronics Technology Company's (CETC's) No. 14 Research Institute.

• Frequency: X band
• Operation range (RCS of 5 m2) :
  Up-looking detection range >105KM

looks like you've quite a knowledge about "Trolling".I didn't even mention the name of the aircraft.. by the way,its initial batch which got KLJ-7.they'll use Grifo.I wonder why an inferior radar??

The initial 42 JF-17 aircraft being delivered to PAF are fitted with an NRIET KLJ-7 radar. The KLJ-7 radar can track ten targets located beyond visual range (BVR) through track-while-scan mode.

An Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S-7 pulse Doppler radar will replace the KLJ-7 radar in PAF's JF-17 aircraft. This radar can operate in 25 working modes for 200 hours continuously. Look-down, shoot-down and ground-strike are further capabilities.

JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong Multirole Combat Aircraft - Airforce Technology



Topic......


what is Quartz nose cone???

 

[Bobby]

Go ahead ..make fun...even I want to make fun..

after all ...
we have over cooked aircraft.....
and you have half cook aircraft....

 

[janon]

@janon
"On some occasions, the pilots had to use a handheld stopwatch and compass for navigation."
???
for real

Actually hand held stopwatches and commercial GPS devices. At that time, our jets did not have precision navigation systems to conduct night bombing. This crude method was thought up by a junior officer.

Airpower at 18,000’: The Indian Air Force in the Kargil War

Link to original Carnegie endowment document:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...fz0UNqhbuNwNUp75egKLQ-g&bvm=bv.76247554,d.c2E

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Because we don't give clearance to a plane which can't fly at night.. Hope u understand what i mean..

you hit him under the belt , you might get banned for speaking the truth.. and broken the myth and showing them mirror

 

[Superboy]

So they haven't even manufactured a single SP Tejas yet? Man this is slow.

 

[janon]

So they haven't even manufactured a single SP Tejas yet? Man this is slow.

Do you expect Serial Production to start before FOC is achieved?

 

[Lil Mathew]

So they haven't even manufactured a single SP Tejas yet? Man this is slow.

“The first SP-1 is in advanced stages of equipping and we will have the ground run by end of June. The SP-1 should start flying by August. The second, third and fourth production aircraft are in various stages of structural build and we hope to deliver four aircraft in the current year to the Indian Air Force (IAF),” HAL chairman Tyagi said on 29 May 2014

 

[sancho]

If we can get a 28* AOA and mach 1.8 fighter by 2015 June it is not bad at all.

Don't think that will be achieved with the MK1, otherwise we wouldn't need the modification to MK2. The FOC requirement was 26°, IOC2 achieved 22 to 24° so far. The crucial parts of the FOC were the new nose, fully integrated radar, IFR probe, gun and BVR missiles. Will be interesting to see how far they get, but more delays are dissappointing.