Fighter jet makers eye Indian riches after scaled-back French deal - G Lobby Vs LCA

[Abingdonboy]

Yeah, I was just trying to figure out where it leaves us with 36 Rafales?

haha, if the IAF only get 36 Rafales:

This is why I have been saying- getting only 36 Rafales is totally unviable for the IAF, they might as well not even bother. That they have gone for 36 is an indication more are to come.

 

[Bobby]

Can you just buy a damn plane now. I am sick of these self ego stroking news stories.

Why are you getting sick?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Prasun K.Sengupta is usually to be taken with a bucket of salt but here he seems to be bang on the money:

I've already explained above in the narrative uploaded earlier today what this 'interim' order is all about. The haggling was over the 7 & 8 positions of the two negotiating parties & none of the two was willing to budge an inch. Hence the decision to order 36 Rafales, which will cost just as much as the DIFFERENTIAL between 7 & 8. Consequently, the French will be satisfied & scale down to 7, since in any case they have realised their financial goals by bagging the order for the 36 Rafales.

Of course it goes without saying that Indian lethargy & intransigence created all this mess. France after all cannot be blamed for the depreciation of the Indian Rupee vis-a-vis the Euro or US$. So, the longer negotiations & hagglings continue, the greater the cost escalation. This impasse had to be broken & has now been broken. Blame for this sordid state of affairs lies squarely on the shoulders of the UPA-1/UPA-2 govts. Had UPA-1 taken up the French offer for 40 Rafales way back in February 2006, it would have been far more easier to negotiate with a more flexible French party. Bottomline: the French know only too well exactly how the Indian mindset functions & they therefore wanted to spare India all the headaches when making the offer in February 2006. But the stubborn Indians in their all-knowing wisdom ended up being totally f*cked-up.

 

[Bang Galore]

Prasun K.Sengupta is usually to be taken with a bucket of salt but here he seems to be bang on the money:

I've already explained above in the narrative uploaded earlier today what this 'interim' order is all about. The haggling was over the 7 & 8 positions of the two negotiating parties & none of the two was willing to budge an inch. Hence the decision to order 36 Rafales, which will cost just as much as the DIFFERENTIAL between 7 & 8. Consequently, the French will be satisfied & scale down to 7, since in any case they have realised their financial goals by bagging the order for the 36 Rafales.

Of course it goes without saying that Indian lethargy & intransigence created all this mess. France after all cannot be blamed for the depreciation of the Indian Rupee vis-a-vis the Euro or US$. So, the longer negotiations & hagglings continue, the greater the cost escalation. This impasse had to be broken & has now been broken. Blame for this sordid state of affairs lies squarely on the shoulders of the UPA-1/UPA-2 govts. Had UPA-1 taken up the French offer for 40 Rafales way back in February 2006, it would have been far more easier to negotiate with a more flexible French party. Bottomline: the French know only too well exactly how the Indian mindset functions & they therefore wanted to spare India all the headaches when making the offer in February 2006. But the stubborn Indians in their all-knowing wisdom ended up being totally f*cked-up.

Err....how could the UPA have taken up the French offer in 2006? In the middle of a competition?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Err....how could the UPA have taken up the French offer in 2006? In the middle of a competition?

I believe that would actually have been before the MMRCA RFP was released (in 2007). This 40 would certainly have met the immediate needs of the IAF from when the MRCA/126 Mirage 2000 was first mooted then scrapped in favour of the MMRCA and the entire MMRCA saga that was always going to take an age. Whatevertjhe timeline, the GoI/MoD of old was never credited with being pragmatic animals.

 

[Cat Shannon]

Yeah, I was just trying to figure out where it leaves us with 36 Rafales?

haha, if the IAF only get 36 Rafales:

This is why I have been saying- getting only 36 Rafales is totally unviable for the IAF, they might as well not even bother. That they have gone for 36 is an indication more are to come.

Guys, stop thinking of what the Indian govt doing as a defence deal and a look at it from a point of view of a business deal being done. It will start looking a lot more smart. IMHO. Yupp.



Here's the biggest hint :

They scrapped the shitty contract mmrca was. And started talking on a gov't to gov't level. Taking out dassault !

They did it at the right time, with the right man, after giving the negotiations enough chances to become a success. Why it didn't happen, dassault was the problem.

They took dassault out.

I mean, how much more clearer does it get ? I'm glad they did it so well.

If we had more money....If we had more more money, we would have gone for 63. Trust me. It's all about how much money sonia Gandhi's govt has left in our coffers.

Going by the reduction of 63 to 36 during the negotiations phase in France, not much.

Congress and co. Devoured it all.

 

[wiseone2]

Mi-17 is a transport helicopter, II-78 is a tanker, both are non-combat machines. We need superior platform for aerial combat.

for base air defense mission why do you need a superior machine ?