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Dear members i am creating this thread to discuss the probable use of FC-20 to counter the indian fgfa/pakfa whatever comes to indian inventory within 2020 or 2025 before pakistan can get their hands on any 5th generation fighter in enough number.
 
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yes and let us convert this thread to india vs pak vs china thread.
 
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The Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) is a fifth-generation fighter being developed by Russia and India. It is a derivative project from the PAK FA (T-50 is the prototype) being developed for the Indian Air Force (FGFA is the official designation for the Indian version).
According to HAL chairman A.K. Baweja shortly after the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Committee meeting on 18 September 2008, the Russian aircraft will be a single-seater, the Indian FGFA will be a twin seater, analogous to the Su-30MKI which is a twin seat variant of the baseline Su-27. Two separate prototypes will be developed, one by Russia (designated the T-50), and a separate one by India (designated FGFA).

On 5 January 2010, it was reported that an Indian Defence Ministry delegation to Sukhoi’s flagship aircraft facility in Siberia observed the Sukhoi’s FGFA prototype, which is expected to make its first flight within weeks. A detailed contract on joint development is just around the corner. The contract, which Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will sign with Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), will commit to building 250 fighters for the IAF and an equal number for Russia. The option for further orders will be kept open. HAL and UAC will be equal partners in a joint venture company, much like the Brahmos JV, that will develop and manufacture the FGFA. Further it was reported that the Bangalore-based HAL has negotiated firmly to get a 25 per cent share of design and development work in the FGFA programme. HAL’s work share will include critical software, including the mission computer; navigation systems; most of the cockpit displays; the counter measure dispensing (CMD) systems; and modifying Sukhoi’s single-seat prototype into the twin-seat fighter that the Indian Air Force (IAF) wants. Further Russia’s expertise in titanium structures will be complemented by India’s experience in composites like in the fuselage. A total of 500 aircraft are planned with option for further aircraft. Russian Air Force will have 200 single seated and 50 twin-seated PAK FAs while Indian Air Force will get 200 twin-seated and 50 single seated FGFAs.

Sukhoi director Mikhail Pogosyan has projected a market for 1000 aircraft over the next four decades, two hundred each for Russia and India and six hundred for other countries. Russian Trade Minister Viktor Khristenko said that the aircraft are to be jointly developed and produced with India and both countries will "share benefits from selling the plane not only on their domestic markets, but also on the markets of third countries."
The Indian media also use the term FGFA generically to refer to any fifth generation fighter aircraft.
India will eventually spend over $25 billion to induct 250 advanced stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).This will be in addition to the huge investment to be made in co-developing FGFA with cash-strapped Russia, as also the huge infrastructure required to base, operate and maintain such jets in India. Air Chief Marshal Naik said the 30-tonne FGFA will be a "swing-role fighter, with very advanced avionics, stealth to increase survivability, enhanced lethality, 360 degree situational awareness, smart weapons, data-links, high-end mission computers and the like. Along with 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft, which India plans to acquire in a $10.4 billion project, 270 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted from Russia for around $12 billion with another up gradation of already inducted Su-30MKI at a cost of more than $2 billion and 220 indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft induction at a cost of $4.6 billion, the FGFA will be the mainstay of India's air combat fleet for the foreseeable future.This is apart from $2.2billion up-gradation of the 50 odd Mirage 2000 fighters and 61 MIG-29 SMT to be fighting fit till 2025 along with the 125 MIG-21 Bison operational till 2017.This will help IAF to reach the sanctioned healthy strength of 44 squadrons with more than 792 aircraft (18 aircraft each squadron) with a completely new air force at a cost of anywhere between $55billion to $65billion in the next 10years.

The joint-venture borrows heavily from the success of the Brahmos project. Russia and India had agreed in early 2007 to jointly study and develop a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft Programme (FGFA).[12][13] On October 27, 2007, Asia Times quoted Sukhoi's director, Mikhail Pogosyan, "We [India and Russia] will share the funding, engineering and intellectual property [of the new project] in a 50-50 proportion."] The Indian version, according to the deal, will be different from the Russian version and specific to Indian requirements. While the Russian version will be a single-pilot fighter, the Indian variant will have a twin-seat configuration based on its operational doctrine which calls for greater radius of combat operations. The wings and control surfaces need to be reworked for the FGFA.Although, development work has yet to begin, the Russian side has expressed optimism that a test article will be ready for its maiden flight by 2009, one year after PAK FA scheduled maiden flight and induction into service by 2015.
According to HAL chairman A.K. Baweja on 16 September 2008, HAL will be contributing largely to composites, cockpits and avionics. HAL is working to enter into a joint development mechanism with Russia for the evolution of the FGFA engine as an upward derivative of the AL-37. By February 2009 as per Sukhoi general director Mikhail Pogosyan India will initially get the same PAK FA fighter of Russia and the only difference will be the software. The first prototype was expected to rolled out by August 2009. Xinhua quoted an Indian defense official in August 2009 saying that India will get its first stealth fighter aircraft by the end of 2009.

Difference between PAK FA and FGFA

The difference between PAK FA and the FGFA will be similar to that between Su-30M and Su-30MKI[citation needed]. Su-30M is a standard Russian version of a plane, whereas the Su-30MKI (MKI stands for "Modernizirovannyi Kommercheskiy Indiski" meaning "Modernized Commercial India") was jointly-developed with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for the Indian Air Force. The Su-30MKI includes Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) and canards. It is equipped with a multi-national avionics complex sourced from India, Israel, Russia and France.[20] The PAK FA and the FGFA will have minimal common technology. Further the FGFA will be predominantly using weapons of Indian origin such as Astra, a Beyond Visual Range missile being developed by India, although in keeping with the Russian BVR doctrine of using a vast variety of different missiles for versatility and unpredictability to countermeasures, it can be expected to have compatibility with many different missile loadouts. The Indian FGFA is significantly different from the Russian PAK FA because a second pilot means the addition of another dimension, development of wings and control surfaces.

The FGFA may also include systems developed by third parties.

The FGFA along with the SU-30 MKI will eventually form the backbone of the IAF's fighter force it will complement the HAL Tejas, AMCA, SU-30MKI,and the unnamed fighter from the MRCA competition.

Design

Although there is no reliable information about the PAK FA and FGFA specifications yet, it is known from interviews with people in the Russian Air Force that it will be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, be outfitted with the next generation of air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and incorporate an AESA radar. The FGFA will use on her first flights 2 Saturn 117S engines (about 14.5 ton thrust each). The 117S is an advanced version of the AL-31F, but built with the experience gained in the AL-41F program. The AL-41F powered the Mikoyan MFI fighter (Mikoyan Project 1.44). Later versions of the PAK FA will use a completely new engine (17.5 ton thrust each), developed by NPO Saturn or FGUP MMPP Salyut.

Three Russian companies will compete to provide the engines with the final version to be delivered in 2015-2016.
 
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what is this bhai ???
may be Mods or Administrators should make some rules and regulations for crating specially "VS" threads, to get rid of baseless and unnecessary talks.
every one know the result of these kind of threads.

regards
 
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PAK FA T-50 prototype on the day of its first flight
 
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what is this bhai ???
may be Mods or Administrators should make some rules and regulations for crating specially "VS" threads, to get rid of baseless and unnecessary talks.
every one know the result of these kind of threads.

regards

Its true that 'VS' thread are becomes full of unnecessary talks but if we stop discussing the threat that coming will not stop .so lets discuss how to counter it with FC-20 .
 
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Dear members i am creating this thread to discuss the probable use of FC-20 to counter the indian fgfa/pakfa whatever comes to indian inventory within 2020 or 2025 before pakistan can get their hands on any 5th generation fighter in enough number.

rat vs lion
 
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How ? j-xx=J-20 and the thread is about J-10B/FC-20 vs pakfa/fgfa.

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Please don't start trolling .

sorry got confused between FC 20...
And you want to compare a fifth generation Air superiority fighter with a 4th gen MRCA. I think it is a bit ridiculous.
 
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sorry got confused between FC 20...
And you want to compare a fifth generation Air superiority fighter with a 4th gen MRCA. I think it is a bit ridiculous.

I am not comparing a fifth generation aircraft with 4th generation fighter . And j-10b/FC-20 is going to become 4++ generation fighter when it will start inducting in paf in 2014 onward .
 
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****!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....Why comparing two things which are not inducted in PAF and IAF yet....Mods, please....>>>>>
 
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but this two are going to induct in 5~15 years .

PAKFA is Russian fishing engineering.Won't before 2020.

Reference carriers.

FC20 (if inducted in 2015 in PAF)can beat 30MKI/MMRCA.
 
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