FC-20 vs PAKFA/FGFA

[Lankan Ranger]

What a joke FC-20 vs PAKFA/FGFA.................

 

[Mani2020]

sorry got confused between FC 20...
And you want to compare a fifth generation Air superiority fighter with a 4th gen MRCA. I think it is a bit ridiculous.

By the way would you like to tell me how you characterize a 4th generation aircraft?

An aircraft having an AESA radar and being a testbed for many 5th generation technologies incorporated in J-20 is a 4th generation aircraft according to you?

 

[Mani2020]

Fc-20 was not intended to counter Pak-Fa rather it is intended to counter MRCA .the entry date of FC-20 will be almost the same as of MRCA (if IAF atlast selects one,and if the bid not lingers around like what we have seen)

Pak-fa is not operational yet neither it has gone through advanced test stage ,i don't see Pak-Fa in service of india till 2020 ,till then Paf will have options for 5th generation fighters specially with the pace China is working at ,that 5th generation will be bought to counter Pak-Fa even if we will have problems with budget we still will go for a couple of squadrons

 

[satishkumarcsc]

By the way would you like to tell me how you characterize a 4th generation aircraft?

An aircraft having an AESA radar and being a testbed for many 5th generation technologies incorporated in J-20 is a 4th generation aircraft according to you?

Yes it is...FC 20 is a 4th gen aircraft....simple reason it lacks stealth...it cant be a fifth gen aircraft. because it neither has shaping for radar deflection nor was the airframe designed for stealth.

You can compare the FC 20 to may be the F 16 block 52+ or the MiG 29 SMT or the Mirage 2000-9. You can never compare it to something like the F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20.

 

[monitor]

Yes it is...FC 20 is a 4th gen aircraft....simple reason it lacks stealth...it cant be a fifth gen aircraft. because it neither has shaping for radar deflection nor was the airframe designed for stealth.

You can compare the FC 20 to may be the F 16 block 52+ or the MiG 29 SMT or the Mirage 2000-9. You can never compare it to something like the F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20.

FC-20 is not comparable with with F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20 but it is going to be the in the team of typhoon or rafle so hopefully it should have some capability against the pakfa as was test bed for many 5th generation element which it has absorb except stealth so its about countering the threat until pakistan gets j-20/any 5th generation fighter .

 

[satishkumarcsc]

FC-20 is not comparable with with F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20 but it is going to be the in the team of typhoon or rafle so hopefully it should have some capability against the pakfa as was test bed for many 5th generation element which it has absorb except stealth so its about countering the threat until pakistan gets j-20/any 5th generation fighter .

Then compare it to the Rafale and EFT....even they are test beds for 5th gen technologies. Su 35 flanker has been an openly declared 5th gen tech bed. The basic qualification of fifth gen aircraft is stealth and avionics. The FC 20 is missing the first without which it is not a fifth gen fighter...It is like comparing apples to oranges.

When both FC 20 and PAK-FA go straight to straight head on the PAK-FA will see the FC 20 before it even detects the PAK FA giving it first see-first shoot capability. On doing that it puts the FC 20 in the defensive.

Yes the FC 20 is a capable fourth gen fighter. But you started the comparison between the FC 20 and the PAK-FA. The comparison between the two are far fetched even on paper.

 

[Mani2020]

Yes it is...FC 20 is a 4th gen aircraft....simple reason it lacks stealth...it cant be a fifth gen aircraft. because it neither has shaping for radar deflection nor was the airframe designed for stealth.

You can compare the FC 20 to may be the F 16 block 52+ or the MiG 29 SMT or the Mirage 2000-9. You can never compare it to something like the F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20.

it is neither a 4th generation nor a 5th generation aircraft,rather a 4.5+ generation aircraft ,Americans classify a 4.5th generation aircraft on the basis of AESA radar and low RCS (some capabilities of stealth ,though not completely) so according to this FC-20 is a 4.5+ generation aircraft

 

[Mani2020]

Then compare it to the Rafale and EFT....even they are test beds for 5th gen technologies. Su 35 flanker has been an openly declared 5th gen tech bed. The basic qualification of fifth gen aircraft is stealth and avionics. The FC 20 is missing the first without which it is not a fifth gen fighter...It is like comparing apples to oranges.

When both FC 20 and PAK-FA go straight to straight head on the PAK-FA will see the FC 20 before it even detects the PAK FA giving it first see-first shoot capability. On doing that it puts the FC 20 in the defensive.

Yes the FC 20 is a capable fourth gen fighter. But you started the comparison between the FC 20 and the PAK-FA. The comparison between the two are far fetched even on paper.

As far as i think monitor has not compared these jets he has just put a scenario in which Fc-20 and PAK-FA will face each other if war ever happens .

In war you put all your assets on line and go with all the capabilities you have so in case of war PAF will use all her assets and that includes Fc-20 and same will IAF do so there will be all oranges against the apples and all apples against the oranges

 

[alpha proton]

FC-20 is not comparable with with F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20 but it is going to be the in the team of typhoon or rafle so hopefully it should have some capability against the pakfa as was test bed for many 5th generation element which it has absorb except stealth so its about countering the threat until pakistan gets j-20/any 5th generation fighter .

please dont exaggerate facts,j-10 is nowhere near EFT or Rafale,this planes r considered the best 4.5 jets present now,just because India is planning to buy it,suddenly ur planes became more superior.

J-10 is just like a baby in comparison to EFT,Rafale,MKI,Su-35 or super hornet

It can be only compared to jets like Mirage 2000 or su-27.

 

[Mani2020]

please dont exaggerate facts,j-10 is nowhere near EFT or Rafale,this planes r considered the best 4.5 jets present now,just because India is planning to buy it,suddenly ur planes became more superior.

J-10 is just like a baby in comparison to EFT,Rafale,MKI,Su-35 or super hornet

It can be only compared to jets like Mirage 2000 or su-27.

oh and mr.technologist which variant of J-10 you are talking about? Do you even know the variants of J-10 and the difference b/w them or its just you stepped down the bed ,no homework to do and just here to pass your time with completely ignorant statements?

FC-20 is not a standard J-10 variant (J-10A) rather it has more to do with J-10B and do you know the difference b/w both variants? if not then just visit the FC-20 thread .

I think you are completely overwhelmed by the fact that these planes (you mentioned above) are competing in MRCA thats why you presented them in that way

 

[satishkumarcsc]

As far as i think monitor has not compared these jets he has just put a scenario in which Fc-20 and PAK-FA will face each other if war ever happens .

In war you put all your assets on line and go with all the capabilities you have so in case of war PAF will use all her assets and that includes Fc-20 and same will IAF do so there will be all oranges against the apples and all apples against the oranges

For that we need to know a lot of data...and a lot of intelligence gathering that both countries have. Then it will also bring in the support measures and EW in each aircraft and jamming in airspace must also be taken into account. This might lead to a flame war sooner than I can think. because we dont know the full data. I am outta here. Have fun!

This is an air defence scenario.

 

[soul hacker]

rat vs lion

don't call yourself rat

 

[Nakul]

^^^Thanks for reminding us we are the lions

 

[SBD-3]

Yes it is...FC 20 is a 4th gen aircraft....simple reason it lacks stealth...it cant be a fifth gen aircraft. because it neither has shaping for radar deflection nor was the airframe designed for stealth.

You can compare the FC 20 to may be the F 16 block 52+ or the MiG 29 SMT or the Mirage 2000-9. You can never compare it to something like the F-22 , F 35, PAK-FA or the J 20.

Correction, with AESA, IRST, CIP, RAM, DSI it will very much likely be a 4++ class aircraft like that of typhoon. But RCS will be much lower than classic Mig-29,F-16 and Mirage

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Correction, with AESA, IRST, CIP, RAM, DSI it will very much likely be a 4++ class aircraft like that of typhoon. But RCS will be much lower than classic Mig-29,F-16 and Mirage

The word is 'classic' and I compared J 10 to the modernized versions on all those aircraft.