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Fatwah against Suicide attack by Deobandi ulemas

^ @ Conscientious objector What do you intend to achieve with such hate mongering?? :angry:

Do no spread Hate :disagree:

And they say you live in the UK :whistle:



Now you decide to speak? Post after post of attack by your shia buddy and you say nothing, but when I post narrations from shia sources you accuse me of hate mongering.This is very bad hypocricy on your part.

I have not added any of my comments to the post above, everything is from Shia sources and references have been provided.
 
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Now you decide to speak? Post after post of attack by your shia buddy and you say nothing, but when I post narrations from shia sources you accuse me of hate mongering.This is very bad hypocricy on your part.

I have not added any of my comments to the post above, everything is from Shia sources and references have been provided.

Look my friend and brother Conscientious objector: The Tile of this thread is:

Re: Fatwah against Suicide attack by Deobandi ulemas

What do your statements and many of those before you have anything to do with this thread? :woot:

PS: As for my Shia Buddy I dont know who you are talking about, but in my dictionary anyone who believes in the shahadah, Iman e mufassil wa mujammil and accepts the Prophet PBUH as the last Nabi wa Rasool is a Muslim, Shia or Sunni (just keep Shia Sunni hatred to your sub-conscience)

Now Back on the thread people :)
 
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Absolutely Righteous fire.You are very wise man.If everyone thinks like COBjector then Pakistan will have a civil as well as sectrian war in its hands.
 
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The Sheites seek to hide their Treachery

There have been attempts by certain writers to absolve the Shî‘ah from the crime of deserting Hussain. Some find an excuse for them in Ibn Ziyâd’s blockade of Kûfah. S. H. M. Jafri writes in his book The Origins and Early Developments of Shi’ah Islam:

…it should be noted again that the blockade of all the roads coming into Kûfa and its vicinity made it almost impossible for the majority of those Shî‘îs of Kûfa who were in hiding, and also for those residing in other cities like Basra.

This explanation of their desertion does not seem plausible when one considers the large number (18 000) of those who had taken the bay‘ah at the hands of Muslim ibn ‘Aqîl. Ibn Ziyâd, as we have seen, entered Kûfah with only 17 men. Even the force that he dispatched to engage the party of Sayyidunâ Hussain at Karbalâ consisted of only 4000 men.

Furthermore, that force was not recruited specifically for Karbalâ; it was only passing through Kûfah on its way to fight the Daylamites. It is not at all credible to assume that Ibn Ziyâd was able to cow the Kûfans into submission with forces such as these, whom they outnumbered by far. It was rather their own treacherousness and fickleness that led them to abandon Sayyidunâ Hussain. This can be clearly seen in the manner they deserted Muslim ibn ‘Aqîl.

There is also the tendency of claiming that those who deserted Sayyidunâ Hussain were not of the Shî‘ah. Jafri writes:

… of those who invited Hussain to Kûfa, and then those 18,000 who paid homage to his envoy Muslim b. ‘Aqîl, not all were Shî‘îs in the religious sense of the term, but were rather supporters of the house of ‘Alî for political reasons - a distinction which must be kept clearly in mind in order to understand the early history of Shî‘î Islam.

Jafri' s motive in excluding the deserters of Sayyidunâ Hussain from the ranks of the “religious” (as opposed to the “political”) supporters of the house of Sayyidun⠑Alî is quite transparent. He is clearly embarrassed by the fact that it was the Shî‘ah themselves who abandoned their Imâm and his family after inviting him to lead them in revolt. What leads us to reject this distinction between “religious” and “political” supporters is the fact that Sayyidunâ Hussain himself, on more than one occasion, referred to the Kûfans as his Shî‘ah.

There are also the numerous references to the people of Kûfah as the followers (albeit capricious followers) of his father and brother. And were we to assume that many, or even most of them were not Shî‘ah in the “religious” sense, the question which next presents itself is: Where were the real Shî‘ah when their Imâm required their help?

Were they only that handful who emerged from Kûfah? It is strange that while there is so much reluctance on the part of the Shî‘ah to accept the deserters of Kûfah as their own, they are quite proud and eager to identify themselves with the movement of the Tawwâbûn *. The speeches made at the inception of the movement of the Tawwâbûn very clearly prove that they were the same people who invited Sayyidunâ Hussain and then deserted him.

Their very name is indicative of their guilt in this regard. The attempt by the Shî‘ah to absolve themselves from the crime of deserting Sayyidunâ Hussain is therefore at best nothing more than pathetic.




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Four years after the martyrdom of Hazrat Hussein (ra) the Shî‘ah of Kûfah attempted to make amends for their desertion of the family of Rasûlullâh . There emerged a group of Kûfans calling themselves the Tawwâbûn (Penitents) who made it their duty to wreak vengeance upon the killers of Hussain. On their way to Syria in pursuit of Ibn Ziyâd they passed by Karbalâ, the site of Sayyidunâ Hussain' s grave, where they raised a great hue and cry, and spent the night lamenting the tragedy which they allowed to happen four years earlier. Had they only displayed that same spirit of compassion for Hussain when he was so much in need of it the history of Islâm might have taken a different course.
 
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Stop your sectarian bull crap right now.
No one cares what happened 14 hundred years. what should concern you is what is going to happen in the next 14 hundred years. Stop living in the past and try to improve your future.
 
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We should discuss religious maters without inflamation.Basically mullah has created sects between muslim to uplift their market value, all muslims are brothers ,we should follow Quran and Sunnah and should give respect to all muslim fiqas and Al Bayt.Also should save our self from sirk,haram risaq and kabirah gunah(suicidal attacks, katal,zina,riba etc).
 
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I have already answered the history of Kufa people on time of Karbala event in post no.56.
Last call of IMAM(A.S) "Hal min nasir yan sarna" is not only for shia or sunni,this is for every Human being.
Hazrat Wahub Abdullah bin kalbi was the person who meet IMAM(A.S) with his mother and wife on Call,Even he was christian.His wife and mother are the only women who were martyr after fight in Karbala.
IMAM(A.S) had lifted His Bayt on companions on last night,and said yazedi need my and family blood ,you are allow to save your and family lives.
Only 72 has passed this test,who were ready to scarify their lives on IMAM(A.S).
 
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You have failed to answer any of the points raised seekers, the narrations I've posted are from your own shi'ite sources.Lets see you address them point by point each and everyone in turn.
 
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cannot we move away from secterian hate
seeker is a shia extremist, i bet he belong to Sipah Muhammad type out fit. he is not better than any lashker jhangvi or sipah sahaba fanatic

why you fell in his trap
let him and like him belonging to sunnies or shias burn in their hate
by answering or talking to people like him we only encourage them
 
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Mr.Bill and all thanks giving Frackers,Fundamentalist,righteous fire,objector
I have solely give all answer of you but in reality i don't get reply of mine.
I have no hatred with sunni but i think that is time where every Shia and Sunni should learn who is behind the terrorism in the world.I have just exposed that.
"Aiyna dekhaya un ko to burra maan gaye"
Every Muslim should be extremist against takfiri group who is destroying Islam Heritage and shedding blood of Muslims.This Army Operation is part of this.
These savage people should not be able for any sympathy.
 
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Mr.Bill and all thanks giving Frackers,Fundamentalist,righteous fire,objector
I have solely give all answer of you but in reality i don't get reply of mine.
I have no hatred with sunni but i think that is time where every Shia and Sunni should learn who is behind the terrorism in the world.I have just exposed that.
"Aiyna dekhaya un ko to burra maan gaye"
Every Muslim should be extremist against takfiri group who is destroying Islam Heritage and shedding blood of Muslims.This Army Operation is part of this.
These savage people should not be able for any sympathy.

Please remember on thing there is no religion of exterimist and terrorist.:cheers:
 
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Please remember on thing there is no religion of exterimist and terrorist.:cheers:

Good Joke! people who have aim to impose sharia on all over the world have "no religion".
people who had made agreement of "Nizamay Adal" have ""no religion "

Jammat Islami is saying stop doing war against your own people.
Where we are stand now???
is their invisible terrorist or we still confuse who have no religion???
 
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Good Joke! people who have aim to impose sharia on all over the world have "no religion".
people who had made agreement of "Nizamay Adal" have ""no religion "

Jammat Islami is saying stop doing war against your own people.
Where we are stand now???
is their invisible terrorist or we still confuse who have no religion???

Islam can not implemented by force, who ever believe in power or force to implement islam is wrong .I hope you understand this simple defination.
 
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Islam can not implemented by force, who ever believe in power or force to implement islam is wrong .I hope you understand this simple defination.

But the fact is that those people trying to impose islam by force are indeed calling themselves muslim and that too the best and only true muslims.

Even know Jamaat Islami people cannot answer if they think Baitullah Mehsud is shaheed or just killed.
 
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Islam can not implemented by force, who ever believe in power or force to implement islam is wrong .I hope you understand this simple defination.
But the fact is that those people trying to impose islam by force are indeed calling themselves muslim and that too the best and only true muslims.

Even know Jamaat Islami people cannot answer if they think Baitullah Mehsud is shaheed or just killed.
So we have two camps:

1- Those who believe Islam MUST be implemented by force.

2- Those who believe Islam should not and must not be implemented by force.

But both sides believe that Islam should rule the world.

So do we see those in no. 2 actively engage in refuting those in no. 1? No. Or more accurately -- statistically insignificantly 'No'. More often than not, those in no. 2 are more interested arguing against us non-believers about how Islam should not be implemented by force, as if us nonbelievers matters much on how Islam is practiced by both camps. If anything, no. 2 is quite happy that no. 1 is doing the 'dirty work' of trying to rid the world of us nonbelievers, either in killing us off or forcing us to convert...er...I mean 'revert'. It is far safer and easier to argue against nonbelievers than to challenge those who are willing commit violence on behalf of Islam.
 
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