Fatwa issued after Muslim women perform aarti on Diwali in Varanasi

[kasper95]

The problem with bhartis is that are up each others asses 24/7. You guys should let each other breathe. You guys remind of that one house in the neighborhood everyone avoids because of how nosy they are.

Can't help it if music is noise for some,can we ?

 

[Pakistani E]

@Joe Shearer

See, this is what I meant by that post on another thread many weeks back. I don't know if you remember, taking part in religious activities that directly contradict with your own. This is taking it beyond the tolerance limit and I would count it as either appeasement or total annihilation of one's identity and beliefs.

Shirk is literally the biggest Sin in Islam, would it not have been better to just be in attendance with respect instead of taking part in actually performing Aarti? Would a vegetarian partake in a meal of a goat on the occasion his Muslim neighbour or friend invites him for Eid meal? I am certain that he/she would attend, but it would not be expected of them to sacrifice their core religious/social etc ideals just to please another.

EDIT: I am not saying they have ceased to be Muslims, that's between them and God.

 

[hussain0216]

These thread is an example how their society works.

whats wrong with my statement, its accurate

you can worship any amount of idols or animals you want, why would a Muslim participate in your rituals?

 

[El Sidd]

@Joe Shearer

See, this is what I meant by that post on another thread many weeks back. I don't know if you remember, taking part in religious activities that directly contradict with your own. This is taking it beyond the tolerance limit and I would count it as either appeasement or total annihilation of one's identity and beliefs.

Shirk is literally the biggest Sin in Islam, would it not have been better to just be in attendance with respect instead of taking part in actually performing Aarti? Would a vegetarian partake in a meal of a goat on the occasion his Muslim neighbour or friend invites him for Eid meal? I am certain that he/she would attend, but it would not be expected of them to sacrifice their core religious/social etc ideals just to please another.

EDIT: I am not saying they have ceased to be Muslims, that's between them and God.

But you still cannot say they are being forced to.

I won't call it appeasement just like i don't call a Christian in Pakistan celebrating Eid.

As I said. We can revisit this point in about 8 years when it becomes a Hindu democracy as it was destined to be.

Then we can cry genocide or whatever.

Nobody would care by then.

 

[H!TchHiker]

One can live and respect others faith without contradicting the basics of own faith..A Muslim praying or worship to any one except ALLAH is definitely committing a shirk..One can't be Muslim if he is committing shirk...This is basic

 

[Pakistani E]

But you still cannot say they are being forced to.

I won't call it appeasement just like i don't call a Christian in Pakistan celebrating Eid.

As I said. We can revisit this point in about 8 years when it becomes a Hindu democracy as it was destined to be.

Then we can cry genocide or whatever.

Nobody would care by then.

Agreed, they are certainly not forced. Which is a great thing in itself.

But with regards to your comparison, I don't think it's very relevant. The Christians acknowledge Abraham and his son (Peace be upon them both) as prophets and respect them already. Them celebrating Eid does not negate nor contradict any of their central religious tenants.

This on the other hand, is completely different. Although I believe this has been going on for decades. It seems to be part and parcel of the Indian nation in their psyche. I personally don't care, I just find it interesting how appeasement, religious inclusion and existence/distortion of the individual's identity is balanced in India. My interest in it is purely academic.

 

[kasper95]

But you still cannot say they are being forced to.

I won't call it appeasement just like i don't call a Christian in Pakistan celebrating Eid.

As I said. We can revisit this point in about 8 years when it becomes a Hindu democracy as it was destined to be.

Then we can cry genocide or whatever.

Nobody would care by then.

You can revisit after 80 years ,India will be what it is now a secular democracy .it won't be what you wish for it just because it elected a leader you hate.

 

[El Sidd]

Agreed, they are certainly not forced. Which is a great thing in itself.

But with regards to your comparison, I don't think it's very relevant. The Christians acknowledge Abraham and his son (Peace be upon them both) as prophets and respect them already. Them celebrating Eid does not negate nor contradict any of their central religious tenants.

This on the other hand, is completely different. Although I believe this has been going on for decades. It seems to be part and parcel of the Indian nation in their psyche. I personally don't care, I just find it interesting how appeasement, religious inclusion and distortion of the individual's identity is balanced in India. My interest in it is purely academic.

Well academically this goes way back. The country gave us the din e ilahi as well.

Its just that people have lived their lives as they have for thousands of years. The status quo never changes in India.

Ofcourse if you put it in abrahamic understanding than you are also on some level claiming exclusivity. Not an ideal start to criticism.

Idol worship is highly misunderstood.

It has many forms. Living or in the art.

Islam has some 32 understanding of shirk one of which is in the art.

So this is a social issue not a religious issue.

 

[war&peace]

Muslims of India are not really Muslim according to Quran.

We can't generalise it. A few rotten eggs are found in every society and region. This is because of the lack of religious education and dignity. Otherwise why someone will indulge in such a horrible thing.

 

[El Sidd]

You can revisit after 80 years ,India will be what it is now a secular democracy .it won't be what you wish for it just because it elected a leader you hate.

I don't hate Modi. For me his humble rise is a success story.

There is not hate. There is just anguish to see the popularist rise in India.

India will not remain a secular democracy for long.

Democracy and secularism don't work in traditional conservative societies specially given the economic conditions of the middle class voter.

 

[Areesh]

Agreed with the fatwa.

Islam unlike dogmas like Hinduism is based on proper and explicit code of conduct and you can't twist as you like it to please a hindutva fanatic living in your neighborhood.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Agreed with the fatwa.

Islam unlike dogmas like Hinduism is based on proper and explicit code of conduct and you can't twist as you like it to please a hindutva fanatic living in your neighborhood.

Sometimes twisting is needed for better good.
We are not living in stone age.

 

[Areesh]

Sometimes twisting is needed for better good.
We are not living in stone age.

Twist whatever you believe in. Don't expect others to do the same with their religions.

Not bowing down to some monkey god doesn't mean living in stone age.

 

[war&peace]

I see hindus, being totally dishonest as usual are trying to distort the facts. The fatwa is regarding the women participating in idol worship which is totally against the teachings of Islam and the greatest sin.

These pathological cretins are trying to twist the words and giving it some anti internet or anti social media aspect...which is NOT the case. What a horrible thing to live with hindus who lie on purpose. Pathetic creatures.

 

[El Sidd]

Sometimes twisting is needed for better good.
We are not living in stone age.

If
That better good is a sense of patriotism or nationalism.
Then India is nothing more than USSR in coming years.