Father of China's high speed rail

[ChineseTiger1986]

Besides his wife murdering some brit i'm sure most chinese can forgive her for that, what else did he do that put him in jail?

Bo Xilai got some tough stubborn Cantonese gene from his mother side, and he attempted to displace Xi Jinping for his throne.

 

[huskie]

Do not ask me why.
Some of the reasons are not easy to say.
benefit from him people Propaganda he is not bad,
But he hurt people, do not think so.
He is not the so called “Father of China's high speed rail”
without him there will be another person develop high-speed rail.

No there won't be.

Its utterly naive to believe that anyone put in charge can pull off the grandeur projects like Liu did. He thought out of the box and broke a lot of chains to make the HSR network possible, and was given the suspended death sentence exactly for doing those. What he was charged is legal in the west, its called lobbying. It is only called corruption in China when the party wants it to be.

Without him, sure there would still have been a Beijing-Shanghai HSR in China using completely imported trainsets and signal systems, but thats it. Without him you can forget about the whole HSR network. Remember that he was not given the chance to start a HSR network. He gambled his whole political career to start building HSRs without approval--he simply changed the project names from HSR to passenger dedicated lines, but built them by HSR standards. Imagine who will ever dare to do that again within CPC.

Think about your domestic aviation and motor vehicle industries. Think about why they are dominated by foreign companies, and why all your officials in charge ever done is quietly bagging money in their own pockets for helping the foreign companies conquered your whole market. And now think about why this did not happen in the HSR market.

How many times have you ever seen a political figure so demonized by CPC yet still appreciated by the public in China? Even the giant communist state propaganda machine cannot fool regular people, simply because millions and millions of regular Chinese folks are enjoying the benefit that Liu brought to them--and many of them still thank him whenever they ride a high speed train. Indeed be thankful to Liu. Even the court sentencing him to suspended death acknowledged he is workaholic. You probably will never see such an official in the rest of your whole life.

 

[Aepsilons]

No there won't be.

Its utterly naive to believe that anyone put in charge can pull off the grandeur projects like Liu did. He thought out of the box and broke a lot of chains to make the HSR network possible, and was given the suspended death sentence exactly for doing those. What he was charged is legal in the west, its called lobbying. It is only called corruption in China when the party wants it to be.

Without him, sure there would still have been a Beijing-Shanghai HSR in China using completely imported trainsets and signal systems, but thats it. Without him you can forget about the whole HSR network. Remember that he was not given the chance to start a HSR network. He gambled his whole political career to start building HSRs without approval--he simply changed the project names from HSR to passenger dedicated lines, but built them by HSR standards. Imagine who will ever dare to do that again within CPC.

Think about your domestic aviation and motor vehicle industries. Think about why they are dominated by foreign companies, and why all your officials in charge ever done is quietly bagging money in their own pockets for helping the foreign companies conquered your whole market. And now think about why this did not happen in the HSR market.

How many times have you ever seen a political figure so demonized by CPC yet still appreciated by the public in China? Even the giant communist state propaganda machine cannot fool regular people, simply because millions and millions of regular Chinese folks are enjoying the benefit that Liu brought to them--and many of them still thank him whenever they ride a high speed train. Indeed be thankful to Liu. Even the court sentencing him to suspended death acknowledged he is workaholic. You probably will never see such an official in the rest of your whole life.

Very true. So what do you think will be the fate of Tongzhi Liu ? Will there be implementation of clemency on his behalf, given his invaluable contribute to the Chinese State ?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

No there won't be.

Its utterly naive to believe that anyone put in charge can pull off the grandeur projects like Liu did. He thought out of the box and broke a lot of chains to make the HSR network possible, and was given the suspended death sentence exactly for doing those. What he was charged is legal in the west, its called lobbying. It is only called corruption in China when the party wants it to be.

Without him, sure there would still have been a Beijing-Shanghai HSR in China using completely imported trainsets and signal systems, but thats it. Without him you can forget about the whole HSR network. Remember that he was not given the chance to start a HSR network. He gambled his whole political career to start building HSRs without approval--he simply changed the project names from HSR to passenger dedicated lines, but built them by HSR standards. Imagine who will ever dare to do that again within CPC.

Think about your domestic aviation and motor vehicle industries. Think about why they are dominated by foreign companies, and why all your officials in charge ever done is quietly bagging money in their own pockets for helping the foreign companies conquered your whole market. And now think about why this did not happen in the HSR market.

How many times have you ever seen a political figure so demonized by CPC yet still appreciated by the public in China? Even the giant communist state propaganda machine cannot fool regular people, simply because millions and millions of regular Chinese folks are enjoying the benefit that Liu brought to them--and many of them still thank him whenever they ride a high speed train. Indeed be thankful to Liu. Even the court sentencing him to suspended death acknowledged he is workaholic. You probably will never see such an official in the rest of your whole life.

Liu Zhijun US10 million corruption monies can only buy him 2 houses in Beijing. I suspect many PDF PRCs are from the intel corps and that is why they keep on posting rubbish. Many denounce Liu Zhijun meanwhile, cheer Bo Xilai.

Liu Zhijun is a patriotic and clean Chinese. His US10 million corruption make him look like a virgin among all officials.

Bo Xilai and buddy Zhou Yongkang, Xu Caihou...etc corrupt billions of dollar. Meanwhile Zhou Yongkong and Bo Xilai have blood in their hand. They are also gangsters and robber for evicting peasants. Zhou had arrested countless people who tried to seek justice in Beijing.

Many PDF PRC are among the most xxxx commentators I ever seen. The forum in China like Tiexue and others have better commentators and they have better sense of justice, virtue and righteousness.

 

[sahaliyan]

History will remember him as a patriotic and great person

 

[mike2000]

Isn't this Bo Xilai's 'princeling' son ?

Lol is this not one of the many corrupt Chinese officials who send their kids to study/live a better life in London? It made some news here, I remember reading it in metro morning newspaper and evening standard.
Hope they keep bringing in more money to our economy and make us even more wealthy.

 

[huskie]

Very true. So what do you think will be the fate of Tongzhi Liu ? Will there be implementation of clemency on his behalf, given his invaluable contribute to the Chinese State ?

his fate is already per-determined. he'll spend a few years in jail and be on parole for the rest of his life. he will not be reported in the mainstream media unless there is a need of bringing his corruption up.