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Ok before i proceed, i would like to tell you that from you posts i see that you are in the habit of extrapolating too much and generalizing issues to such an extent that sometimes you include the entire nation or a religion into it.
No doubt india has come a long way, so did we. Oopps, i compared again. Anywaz, yes indeed india has achieved alot, find its place in BRIC, ruling the world of IT etc etc, but then again the question remains that despite of all these gains, how exactly the poor of india benefited?
That my friend, is the question of the day!
And oh yes, nah nah...i am not one of them who would like to pollute a water source and that to the one which is already quite polluted.
My moto is; live and let live, and that's been the crux of my discussion here. Stop fingering everybody around you!
You need to check the indo-Pak history one more time. It always has been india that backed out from dialogues, not Pakistan.
You need to understand that Pakistan is a poor country, as you are and has its owb internal and external problems bug enough to engulf it. We would be fools if we would finger someone 'great' as india and create more problems for ourselves. We want to have a peaceful coexistence and that can only come if india starts minding its own business which entail lesser military spending and more feeding the poor.
BTW, you still need to prove alot about the parliment and the mumbai. We feel sorry for the deaths and we condemn such acts, as no one can understand them better as we ourselves have been victim to these horrific acts. try to understand this and thinsg would be clearer.
as i said, you need to go through the indo-pal relations once again. Rigid stands on Siachen, Kashmir etc, backing out from dialogues at will and creating false reasons to eat us out is what india has mastered over time, not Pakistan.
But we did 'create' taliban by ourselves. That was what the world desired and we just helped. You need to understand that. We didnt create the monster to subdue a country as opposed to what india did when it trained LTTE so that she can pressurize a sovereign state. Seriously, india has to stop thinking on these lines only then it can concentrate more on their 'actual' enemies and fears and in turn can feed its poor.
BTW, why wouldnt karzai like to be helped by Pakistan? A neighboring country whom the world recognize (as it did in that NATO conference) to be the best placed and sourced to help rebuilt Afg? It's sheer common sense, nothing else.
We damn care who rules Afg. Gen Kiyani has put this beautifully:Pakistan means by this is not any greed for Afghan territory, but an abiding interest in "a peaceful, stable and friendly Afghanistan". Nothing less, nothing more; Pakistan has strategic interests in a peaceful and stable Afghanistan, irrespective of who rules it.
This is on record now, if we, as you all have been claiming, play nasty, the West can always snub us!
So its nothing but scaremongering on india's part.
We are not saints. We mau be as bad as you are. There is nothing much of a comparisions in this thread, and it is this that many india memebrs on this thread have failed to understand. This not a thread where we would like to compare inda and Pakistan's military budget, instead we are interested in discussing why one of the highest military spender and a golbal super power dreamer cant feed its people.The last six decades we also seens India devaloping ,many middle class men like me has better future and poverty is reducing since independence..Dont act like you guys are saints..more agreession is coming from your side too...
No doubt india has come a long way, so did we. Oopps, i compared again. Anywaz, yes indeed india has achieved alot, find its place in BRIC, ruling the world of IT etc etc, but then again the question remains that despite of all these gains, how exactly the poor of india benefited?
That my friend, is the question of the day!
Well, when huge countries like india talk like a cry baby and fear from a country not even half of its size and whom it threatened to break in halves, that my friend is getting 'worried'.Who is worried about the existance..we are here and will be here..hope you are not one of the followers of those who want to do peshap in ganges..
And oh yes, nah nah...i am not one of them who would like to pollute a water source and that to the one which is already quite polluted.
My moto is; live and let live, and that's been the crux of my discussion here. Stop fingering everybody around you!
Well that's what i am trying to say here. india has all the right to be prepared, but against the real, actual and existent threats, NOT against unknown, self-created and self-propagated fears!Its not about fear mongering..its about be prepared..we dont want to be caught offguard..If you are not feared about us then why you are buying and devaloping weapons??
Once..how many time we offered you hand of peace and how many times you backstabbed us be it Parliment attack,kargil war mumbai attacks..peace process with you always costs us inncocent civilians.I wanted peace but i am sure this time the same thing also going to happen..because your leaders dont want peace they need some one to make your people hate and divert their your anger against them...And about the upper hand in Afgan good luck with it
You need to check the indo-Pak history one more time. It always has been india that backed out from dialogues, not Pakistan.
You need to understand that Pakistan is a poor country, as you are and has its owb internal and external problems bug enough to engulf it. We would be fools if we would finger someone 'great' as india and create more problems for ourselves. We want to have a peaceful coexistence and that can only come if india starts minding its own business which entail lesser military spending and more feeding the poor.
BTW, you still need to prove alot about the parliment and the mumbai. We feel sorry for the deaths and we condemn such acts, as no one can understand them better as we ourselves have been victim to these horrific acts. try to understand this and thinsg would be clearer.
Pot calling the kettle black.Nudge?you nudge cost us 100's of solidiers whos widows and children still missing their husbands and father...i am not talking about the efficency of Indian military..we shown our efficency good enough against you..i am poiniting out the so called sincerity of your leaders towards peace process..I am sure that the coming peace process is also the repetition of all that..Your leaders only good at talking peace in media and masses in true they dont want peace at all..
as i said, you need to go through the indo-pal relations once again. Rigid stands on Siachen, Kashmir etc, backing out from dialogues at will and creating false reasons to eat us out is what india has mastered over time, not Pakistan.
Yes we did.See the same thing happening to Pakistan just now..now your country is realising not to play with fire...Unfortunately our country loss a great leader and your country is loosing innocent civilians..but i dont think you will never learn..Still JuD is a charitable organisation for you ..
But we did 'create' taliban by ourselves. That was what the world desired and we just helped. You need to understand that. We didnt create the monster to subdue a country as opposed to what india did when it trained LTTE so that she can pressurize a sovereign state. Seriously, india has to stop thinking on these lines only then it can concentrate more on their 'actual' enemies and fears and in turn can feed its poor.
Ofocourse the US is not going to withdraw 'anytime soon', but guess what, it surely will in the times to come. 2011 is the start date. We know karzai will always like to sit in the indian laps, we dont mind that until this intercourse doesnt yield bast**ds who would threat us.Dont be in a fools paradise..US is not going to withdraw from Afgan anytime soon..They know the serious out come of it..If no one is buying it then why they allow us to work over there...Karzai will always prefer India over Pakistan and that make your country piss faced all the time..and last time i checked lakhvi and others are under trial regarding Mumbai attack
BTW, why wouldnt karzai like to be helped by Pakistan? A neighboring country whom the world recognize (as it did in that NATO conference) to be the best placed and sourced to help rebuilt Afg? It's sheer common sense, nothing else.
We damn care who rules Afg. Gen Kiyani has put this beautifully:Pakistan means by this is not any greed for Afghan territory, but an abiding interest in "a peaceful, stable and friendly Afghanistan". Nothing less, nothing more; Pakistan has strategic interests in a peaceful and stable Afghanistan, irrespective of who rules it.
This is on record now, if we, as you all have been claiming, play nasty, the West can always snub us!
So its nothing but scaremongering on india's part.
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