FAQs on India's Massive 34% Hike in Military Spending

[grey boy 2]

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[blueoval79]

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[grey boy 2]

Bada beem...Bada ..boom...

Du lay lo mo choi height ! HaHaHa

 

[ironman]

Grey boy.. I think you should concentrate more on rape. While health, poverty and dalit issues are contracted by haq.

 

[Novice09]

Start a topic India spent 1 rupee on defense:

Flood of suggestions :

India can spent that 1 rupee on poor.
India can spent that 1 rupee on removal of slums.
India can spent that 1 rupee on

Its our money, let us decide how to utilize it. We are not getting donation from , our currency's value is not controlled by GoI.

are already a heaven and is

 

[All-Green]

Time to get out of your world of lies and deception sunny, and quit portraying India as a hellhole. You don't have to convince other pakistanis or me about 1947 split by India bashing. Admit it man, you got a separate nation to rule and you FAILED capish.

Pakistan is better than many nations of the world in many aspects, and we certainly are not a failed state, we are in a rough patch but that is not something we have not encountered before.

India also still has many problems which it needs to overcome, however on other fronts it has worked well.

Do some research and try to figure out who did not agree to the terms of troops withdrawal in Kashmir, you may be surprised to find out that it was not Pakistan but India which did not agree to the number of troops.

The issue which needs to be taken into perspective is that if there is a prolonged arms race in subcontinent then there will be severe repercussions in the long run and magnified misery for the people...

China is a huge economy and pretty much at the top, if India competes militarily with China at this stage it may hinder its economic growth, also Pakistan will genuinely be threatened and will also try to maintain a semblance of parity with India, which will strain its economy tremendously.

If on the other hand Pakistan India manage to resolve their major issues, the mega spending of all countries in the region on defense can be brought down which will increase the economic growth tremendously and enable this region to become the hub of world trade, the dividends of such a step and trade volume would imply that it can be a win win situation 2 decades down the line.

 

[fatman17]

^^^
1. its their money

2. they claim that 50% of their equipment / systems are 'obsolete' - hard to believe but so be it - they shd know.

3. they can spend it however they please - 3%, 3.5% or 4%. it really dosnt matter because (whether its India or Pak) u never know what the real spending
is.

4. they believe they are being 'encircled' by China, esp in the indian ocean and they have the perennial 'bad-boy' of the neighbourhood to contend with.

5. nearly 400m indians live on US$ 2/day.

 

[deesu]

Pakistan is better than many nations of the world in many aspects, and we certainly are not a failed state, we are in a rough patch but that is not something we have not encountered before.

India also still has many problems which it needs to overcome, however on other fronts it has worked well.

Do some research and try to figure out who did not agree to the terms of troops withdrawal in Kashmir, you may be surprised to find out that it was not Pakistan but India which did not agree to the number of troops.

The issue which needs to be taken into perspective is that if there is a prolonged arms race in subcontinent then there will be severe repercussions in the long run and magnified misery for the people...

China is a huge economy and pretty much at the top, if India competes militarily with China at this stage it may hinder its economic growth, also Pakistan will genuinely be threatened and will also try to maintain a semblance of parity with India, which will strain its economy tremendously.

If on the other hand Pakistan India manage to resolve their major issues, the mega spending of all countries in the region on defense can be brought down which will increase the economic growth tremendously and enable this region to become the hub of world trade, the dividends of such a step and trade volume would imply that it can be a win win situation 2 decades down the line.

I agree to most of your views, except 1.
India has no choice other than competing with China as China is competing with the US. Same case is with pakistan. As every country has rivals to compete with.... there is a saying "Not horse, not elephant, not tiger, but only the lamb is sacrificed in a ritual. One must understand that not even God protects the weak."

 

[Xeric]

No offence Xeric..you are a think tank here..if you drag your self down to name calling and insulting words..then it willl clearly shows the downfalling of this forum..

Unfortunately sometimes you have to take the dip, or else the other side thinks it can take you for a walk whenever they like.

 

[Xeric]

Cherry picking again Sir??

Some more numbers from the HDR2009 only

Human Development Index score India 0.612, Pak 0.572

Adult Litracy India 66%, Pak 54%

Per Capita PPP India $2,753, Pak $2,496

Poverty Index (lower is better) India 28%, Pak 33.40%

Female Adult Literacy India 54%, Pak 39%

Public expend on Health (% GDP) India 3.4%, Pak 1.3%

Infant Mortality (High wealth Q) India 3.4% Pak 6%

You again forgot that Pakistan is NOt among the top ten military spenders.

 

[jha]

what is the big fuss....

india knows it has a lot to do...and is trying its best...

 

[deesu]

You again forgot that Pakistan is NOt among the top ten military spenders.

India is bigger country than pakistan interms of almost everything.... so the spending will be big. The real consideration will be with the % spending....

 

[fanboi]

You again forgot that Pakistan is NOt among the top ten military spenders.

You forgot to mention that our economy is 10 times larger than yours. By that regard the US should spend only 8 billion on its military same with China.

 

[Novice09]

You again forgot that Pakistan is NOt among the top ten military spenders.

Yes, we know that. If you subtract the US funding, Pakistan can be ousted from top 50 too

Pakistani economy is at number 43 and India is at 12( as per 2009 List by the CIA World Factbook)

India have money to spend on their defense needs and they are spending. If Pakistan also have money, India cannot stop him from spending it. India can just cry for foul if Pakistan increase their defense budget.

 

[Cisco-GUY]

Pakistan is better than many nations of the world in many aspects, and we certainly are not a failed state, we are in a rough patch but that is not something we have not encountered before.

I never said Pakistan is a failed state, i said Pakistani rulers failed. And YOU have everything to be a developed nation like saudi arabia or UAE. You are blessed with every natural resources coupled with low population. But instead, you maintain to bleed India and in the process bleed yourself.

Honestly speaking, its unfair to compare India with Pakistan. Pakistan could have achieved high per capita income (abt 10x) than India but your policies and wrong interpretation of your and others religion dragged you down into this catastrophe.

India also still has many problems which it needs to overcome, however on other fronts it has worked well.

Like i said, Pakistan was much better off during independence and could have been an economical powerhouse if you are not rigorously religious.

Do some research and try to figure out who did not agree to the terms of troops withdrawal in Kashmir, you may be surprised to find out that it was not Pakistan but India which did not agree to the number of troops.

Why pakistan entered its troops in kashmir in first place?

The issue which needs to be taken into perspective is that if there is a prolonged arms race in subcontinent then there will be severe repercussions in the long run and magnified misery for the people...

YOU don't have to be in arms race. Economy is like fuel to your MBT's. India has 700 million tax payers, how many you have?

China is a huge economy and pretty much at the top, if India competes militarily with China at this stage it may hinder its economic growth, also Pakistan will genuinely be threatened and will also try to maintain a semblance of parity with India, which will strain its economy tremendously.

India was at point of bankruptcy in 1991 until their leadership took a U-Turn and quit-ed obsession with Pakistan. And reason for Indian all-front success is its adherence to democracy which refused continuing down the path of hate and revenge and paved the way for Great leaders, scholars and economist like honorable manmohan singh.

Same logic can be applied to china's arms race with US, right?

If on the other hand Pakistan India manage to resolve their major issues, the mega spending of all countries in the region on defense can be brought down which will increase the economic growth tremendously and enable this region to become the hub of world trade, the dividends of such a step and trade volume would imply that it can be a win win situation 2 decades down the line.

Resolving of outstanding issues from Pakistan's pov means annexation of kashmir by pakistan which my friend you are not capable to pull off either diplomatically or militarily. Pakistan has to let go of kashmir and concentrate on inbound issues if it has to survive as a nation. Dismantle terror camps and other jehadi infrastructure AIMED at india and if you don't, consider current situation to be prevalent in future. There is absolutely no need for Jehadis or non state-ed actors in country of 1 million strong standing army.

^^^
1. its their money

2. they claim that 50% of their equipment / systems are 'obsolete' - hard to believe but so be it - they shd know.

3. they can spend it however they please - 3%, 3.5% or 4%. it really dosnt matter because (whether its India or Pak) u never know what the real spending
is.

4. they believe they are being 'encircled' by China, esp in the indian ocean and they have the perennial 'bad-boy' of the neighbourhood to contend with.

5. nearly 400m indians live on US$ 2/day.

fatman, this thread was aimed at reducing India's defense spending by lame excused of poverty and illiteracy. Since you are honorable member of think-tank, i would love to give you some insight into it.

First of all, let me get skeletons off Pakistan's closet and be realistic. Pakistan and pakistani's don't give a hell about poors and illiterates in India and vice-versa. This thread was opened under thin camouflage of concern over poor and tried to sneak in humanitarian cause of Pakistanis towards ment to be hostile and cunning hindus What an irony. Like if Pakistan is doing anything better in those areas and that Indians are seeking their craftsmanship. What's the reason for this new profound love?

Generically speaking, every nation has to go through this cycle of development in all areas that comes hand in hand. Defense spending directly generates more than 4.5m jobs in India and high number of troops and para-military are needed for a nation having 1.2 billion population to maintain law and order. Those 1.2 billion aren't of same religion, ethnic background so some friction and rioting is expected. Indian resolve to bring 700 million out of poverty into middle class should be well appreciated but is India ready to bring other 400 million out of poverty? Where are natural resources to support such population? Obviously, India needs to import or purchase land for irrigation like it is doing in africa. So

>Are sea routes not safe?
>Are they prone to be blocked?
>Is India's huge territory being eyed by neighbors?
>Do india needs a muscle in world arena to have weight in diplomacy?
>Do such diplomacy can open new routes for natural resource access in other parts of world?
>Can India get its $800 billion black money from swiss bank? Can same be said about Zimbabwe or Somalia or Pakistan?
>Do india needs to protect its investment abroad?
>Can India and should india just hand over money and food to the poor? Aren't they supposed to work and earn their bread in land of huge opportunity- India?

If you answer all questions as YES then GoI/Indian think-tanks and you are in coherent line of thinking. As i explained to All-Green, there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse why Pakistan is not a developed country today. You are free from plague of huge population and caste-system, so what's stagnating your growth? Or they aren't the blasphemy law to obstruct progress?

Problem is not the capital but implementation.

So all in all, India is not going to slow down for Pakistan to catch up and china is not going to slow down for India to catch up and US is not going to slow down for China to catch up and no one is willing to break this vicious cycle.