Faisal Shahzad is not Pakistani: FM

[mehru]

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I think our FM is responding to American pressure, that's all. As Americans are more concentrating on his Pakistani origin, Pakistanis in turn are pointing out his American nationality.

 

[RescueRanger]

so are we cancel his nationalty already? if yes then show to media his cancel passport and id card.otherwise accept it that our youth is going wrong way.

This. It is a shame our spineless government must brandish how yellow it's liver really is... Shame on our leaders.

 

[Skywalker]

modi is not proved,if he would have proved,he would have been the cm of gujarat,indias fastest growing state

Fastest growing state in what??? slaying muslims.

 

[Xeric]

Not a single line to which I have any disagreement. The guy's *** and some smart terrorists (who are today the biggest threat to Pakistan) played him for a fool and screwed up the situation for Pakistan that was getting good after many years of suspicion...

Ahh.. i like it when you sugar-coat something and try pushing the pill down our throats.

You really need to re-think the following statement of yours:"
some smart terrorists (who are today the biggest threat to Pakistan) played him for a fool"

Or may be you are working for the NYT?

Extrapolation at its best

 

[Xeric]

@Karan1970

Shahzad And Taliban: New York Times Jumps The Gun

Shahzad And Taliban: New York Times Jumps The Gun

McClatchy Newpapers is reporting that "U.S. officials" are contending that there is "no credible evidence" that would-be Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad was trained by foreign terrorists. But, wait wait! I would have sworn that two days ago, the New York Times was reporting that evidence of such a linkage was "mounting?" Looks like somebody jumped the gun!

Indeed, on May 5th, the Times published an article entitled "Evidence Mounts for Taliban Role in Bomb Plot". That would have sort of led you to believe that readers would soon enjoy a detailed accounting of some sort of evidence.

Basically, here it is:

American officials said Wednesday that it was very likely that a radical group once thought unable to attack the United States had played a role in the bombing attempt in Times Square, elevating concerns about whether other militant groups could deliver at least a glancing blow on American soil.
"Officials" would go on to reiterate that "evidence was mounting," that Shahzad "discussed his contacts with the group," and that there was "other evidence" that officials "would not disclose."

Of course, who's to say that a "discussion" of Faisal's "contacts" with the Taliban wasn't limited to the lack thereof? The Times either doesn't know or can't say. And coupled with the dramatic mention of undisclosable evidence, you have a "senior Obama administration official" saying "'there are no smoking guns yet' that the Pakistani Taliban had directed the Times Square bombing."

On the other hand, McClatchy reports:

No credible evidence has been found so far that the Pakistani-American man accused in the Times Square bombing plot received any serious terrorist training from the Pakistani Taliban or another radical Islamic group, six U.S. officials said Thursday.

"There is nothing that confirms that any groups have been found involved in this for certain," one U.S. official told McClatchy. "It's a lot of speculation at this point."

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Faisal Shahzad may have, at the most, had "incidental contact" with a terrorist organization, and he may have been encouraged to act, said one of the officials, who declined to elaborate further.

What follows in the McClatchy piece is a full blow-by-blow of Shahzad's incompetence, from his use of the "wrong kind of fertilizer" to his failure to conceal his identity to his bungled escape attempt to the fact that he "hadn't even removed the plastic caps on the propane tanks' valves before he abandoned the vehicle." All of which led to the rather obvious supposition that Shahzad "never received even rudimentary terrorist training or instructions on how to evade arrest."

Perhaps the Times should pay closer attention to the reporting being done at their City Room blog, which got the scoop on Shahzad's trip to a Pennsylvania fireworks shop, where he purchased "a package of M88 Silver Salute firecrackers," believing them to be an effective means of igniting his bomb.

McClatchy takes an opportunity to say, HA HA SNACK ON THIS, NEW YORK TIMES:

Several news reports on Thursday, though, said that U.S. officials had gathered "mounting" evidence that the Pakistani Taliban had trained Shahzad.

"Officials said that after two days of intense questioning of the bombing suspect, Faisal Shahzad, evidence was mounting that the group, the Pakistani Taliban, had helped inspire and train Mr. Shahzad," The New York Times reported.

It's the same old story, really. There's a big war on terror story -- say, a drone strike or some such thing -- and a passel of reporters run to "officials" and write down whatever they say. "Oh, yeah," Anonymous Source will say, "We got some really bad guys with that drone attack!" Only later, when the reporters take over the ball from the stenographers, do we learn that none of that is actually true, and there's no way to hold any officials accountable, because they've been granted anonymity.

But I think this is my favorite part of this whole saga. In their premature ejaculation, the Times mentions that in "a video on Sunday, the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attempted bombing." (Follow that link if you like! It's in the original, and takes you to another page on the Times website with the exact same sentence and link, which, if followed, keeps taking you back to the second page.)

If you want to know what the Pakistani Taliban actually said, here you go:

The group yesterday reversed that earlier position, with one spokesman saying the Pakistani Taliban had nothing to do with the attempted bombing, but adding: "Such attacks are welcome."

"We have no relation with Faisal. However, he is our Muslim brother," Taliban spokesman Azam Tariq told the AP in Pakistan by telephone from an undisclosed location. "We feel proud of Faisal. He did a brave job."

Tariq said the Taliban only knew from media reports that Shahzad had told authorities he learned how to make bombs in Waziristan, an autonomous tribal region of Pakistan seen as a terrorist stronghold.

You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, Azam!

 

[Xeric]

Sir.. the time is yours and you may decide to do whatever with it.. But I dont understand how a military person who follows the orders of the govt to capture enemy territory is an extremist. If you are refering to his activities of joining Shiv Sena/RSS after he quit military service, then yes, if a crime is committed of suicide attacks in Pakistan by his team, he will be as big a terrorist as Hafiz Saeed.. But its a big If.. Allying oneself with a right wing party does not make you an extremist till an act of extremism is committed by your direct or indirect participation. Forget proof of linking Hoon with an attack, at least show the proof of a crime being committed before asking a hero to be labeled as corrupted. Forget the smoking gun.. atleast show a body...





And you accuse me of cherry picking

Declaring that you want to commit a crime is not equal to Trying to commit a crime does not equal to committing a crime.

While you get punishment for the last 2, you can only be warned for the first.. Hoon belongs to the 1st category, Shahzad to second and a Kasab to third..

I know what I said and still believe it about the flawed distinction Pakistanis make between Pro and Anti Pakistani terrorists. But really more than me, you should care about this flaw being addressed since its Pakistan who is suffering because of it.

But your country.. your policies...your results..

One, Hoon may be a hero till the point he was not with the SSS, thereafter, anybody calling him a hero can be very conveniently termed as a terrorist sympathizer.

In modern politics it is the stance and the outlook of individuals/parties that matters and basing on what their standing (pro-peace or pro-violence etc) is deduced. Hoon clearly and miserably failed this test!

Two, you realy surprise me when you call SSS a 'right-wing' party Right-wing as JuD, MQM, ANP, JI etc, right? The party who kills and threat every other indian on the stupid pretext of 'why even you are here' and the one who has blood of numerous innocents on their hands and those who hurt the feelings of its fellow Muslims when they did the Babri Mosque and you call them right winged! Bravo!

Three, BTW, Ajmal Kasab and party were also following orders from 'somehwhere' (as was Hoon), so should he also be declared noble for the text book completion of his task?

 

[arihant]

And Ball Thakrey could have been behind bars.

Ball Thakery ? hua. He was allready behind bars when Indians shown him *** on the day of My Name is Khan

 

[arihant]

Fastest growing state in what??? slaying muslims.

1200 muslims and 800 hindus died. Riots will always take life. Didn't you forget how riot began. It started with burning train. And, if you have more question on this topic, kindly question in another thread and not the one faisal shahzad

 

[arihant]

The dude is a criminal and that's it. How many criminals do we have from other nationalities? But does that mean the entire race is corrupt?!

He fcuked up and he is going to get screwed big time for it. Yes it brought bad name to Pakistan but that doesnt mean we start feeling guilty over it. We are already doing what we can (by putting in the sincerest efforts as opposed to some others on our East and West) to cut on militancy and had suffered the MOST!

Still if some smart-a$$ has a problem, he or she can go beat its chest (or breast) and choke itself.

We should be more worried about our own internal security then anything else, though we have done all and what that has been required to make this world a safer place, still if some isolated incidents take place, who cares! The guy got caught and the yanks can have all the fun they want to with him.

sincere comments. Problem has been always internal and not external. if we have internal control, external problem would hardly come.

 

[ejaz007]

NY bomb suspect facing foreclosure

SHELTON: Faisal Shahzad, the suspect in last month’s failed Times Square bombing, is slated to lose his Connecticut home to foreclosure under a court order. A notice of judgment filed Tuesday in Milford Superior Court orders Shahzad to repay more than $200,000 on his Shelton home by July 31 or lose it to foreclosure. Shahzad is in federal custody on terrorism charges for allegedly trying to set off a car bomb in New York on May 1. The Connecticut Post reported the foreclosure judgment Wednesday. The paper says he also owes delinquent taxes and possibly part of a second mortgage. He stopped making mortgage payments in June 2009. That’s around the time he left for Pakistan, in what US authorities said, was a trip to a terrorism training camp. ap

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Airboss]

Hi
well its true according to International law when a person having dual nationality is convicted of a crime then the country in which he has spent most time or enjoys more proximity to is considered as the prime country of nationality during a conviction trial, but i am not certain if he has spent more time is USA or Pakistan

Could you provide you source please!

Thank you!