Facts About “Spy Master” Hameed Gul You Need To Know!

[Muqeet Sabir]

If any Indian members posted a derogatory remark, he/she will be thrown out instantly.

Dear bro he just died two days ago and your thread is giving a reason to indian members to curse him, Kindly delete you thread to honor dead patriot.

He was a brave soldier and deserves to be appreciated. If Indian are going to make derogatory remarks, I will rip them apart. I am not sissy like them!

 

[vostok]

Pakistanis claim he was responsible for the destruction of Soviet Union.

Although the significance of Soviet-Afghan war to Soviet collapse is negligible. I thought your perspective on it could shed some light

Such a powerful state like the Soviet Union can not be destroyed from the outside. No war, even a global nuclear war would not led to the full destruction of USSR.
Therefore, the Soviet Union could be only destroyed from the inside. The old guard of the Communist Party, or died, or fell into insanity in the 80s. Therefore, the higher ranks of power become available for degenerates like Gorbachev.
Afghanistan was not even a war it was a local conflict, a limited operation and the military contingent in Afghanistan, quite successfully cope with the tasks set before them. In the end, even after the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the Afgan government ruled another 2 years. If the Americans and allies withdraw their troops in 2013, the Karzai regime would not last even for a month.

 

[Goenitz]

According to Hamid mir, Hameed was pro Hikmat yar. Anwway Gull supported Mujahedeen against Soviets and not for their atrocities..It would be similar saying that Jinnah aur Gandhi are "fathers" of such (pakis and indian) corrupt politicians..as tehy amde congress and muslim league.. Point is , they supported people for right cause and tehy are not partners of whatsoever todays parties' crimes. Similarly, Great general supported Taliban, for unification and stability not for chaso, crimes against afghnas etc.. Afghnas were facing worse situation even before Taliban, as country already in turmoil bcz of suffering from soviet invasion and civil unrest. Taliban were just one 'bad' ruler instead of numerous bad rulers (war lords) of entire Afghnaistan. This might be the step "perceived" towards peace.
@Indus Falcon @syedali73 @Horus @Oscar

 

[Zarvan]

He was a lion who tore apart the enemies of Pakistan. He was a true soldier of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW

 

[ali_raza]

many dont know it.during excersise brasstacks when indians were seeking opportunities to invade from sind side.this lion commanded 1st armored devision tgey knew indian plan from start so they hide themselves near border.probably near sialkot.
it was so shocking to rajiv gandhi that fork fell from his mouth during his meal when he knew about it.

 

[nForce]

I never heard of this man.
Traitors - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Gaidar, Kravchuk, Yeltsin and others are responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Main guilt on - Michael "The Juda" Gorbachev.

Gorbachev is no traitor!!
He simply had no other options left!

 

[vostok]

Gorbachev is no traitor!!
He simply had no other options left!

Oh, yes, he is. Russian Juda destroyed not only the Soviet Union, he destroyed the civilizational alternative to western capitalist imperialism. In terms of social progress humanity thrown back in decades.
He later confessed in one of his lectures in America that he hated communism and wanted to destroy it.

 

[vostok]

I would like to see that lecture in which the General Secretary of Politburo says that he hated his own ideals..
What happened was a part of Perestroika and Glasnost and that was inevitable.

Everything can be explained by the will of God or fate or inevitability. For example, the United States and Britain in the 70s and 80s were much closer to collapse than the USSR. But they have survived thanks to the adequate management.
If it was not a betrayal of leadership, the Soviet Union would have existed and developing.

 

[macnurv]

Pakistanis claim he was responsible for the destruction of Soviet Union.

Although the significance of Soviet-Afghan war to Soviet collapse is negligible. I thought your perspective on it could shed some light

Revisionist history, Bharti Chaddi style.

 

[nForce]

Everything can be explained by the will of God or fate or inevitability. For example, the United States and Britain in the 70s and 80s were much closer to collapse than the USSR. But they have survived thanks to the adequate management.
If it was not a betrayal of leadership, the Soviet Union would have existed and developing.

All that I'm saying is it will be wrong to put the blame on one single man. From what I know, he tried his best..

 

[Jamwal's]

many dont know it.during excersise brasstacks when indians were seeking opportunities to invade from sind side.this lion commanded 1st armored devision tgey knew indian plan from start so they hide themselves near border.probably near sialkot.
it was so shocking to rajiv gandhi that fork fell from his mouth during his meal when he knew about it.

Man where did you heard these fancy stories. ..so where was this man when India annexed 1000 Sq km siachen territory in 80s when this man was strong.

 

[vostok]

All that I'm saying is it will be wrong to put the blame on one single man. From what I know, he tried his best..

Imagine that you are in the besieged city. You can fight and suffer from famine. Or you can bring the keys of the city to the enemy. (But in the end it turns out that the enemy entering the city has killed more than hunger or war could ever kill)
Gorbachev was the man who presented the keys of the city to the enemy.

 

[VCheng]

Correct your history, the creations you are talking about were already created before he took over. He spent just 2 years in ISI which also came at the end of the Afghan War. And he did not drag the country into violence, the people he worked with during his days as ISI head, all were and later on fighting the American occupation in Afghanistan.

Gen Hamid Gul had an important role to play at a critical time in Pakistan's history, no doubt. Those contributions must be recognized, as should the fact that his time came and went, when the world changed once again all around him. What had worked so well after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan simply did not work after 9/11 happened, gradually deformed into a huge liability give the drastic changes in the regional (and the global) geopolitical situation.

 

[nForce]

Imagine that you are in the besieged city. You can fight and suffer from famine. Or you can bring the keys of the city to the enemy. (But in the end it turns out that the enemy entering the city has killed more than hunger or war could ever kill)
Gorbachev was the man who presented the keys of the city to the enemy.

What you are saying is very much thought invoking. We will discuss this in a separate thread.

 

[VCheng]

Lol why do somebody have to post derogatory remarks...the OP itself wrote...he was the Godfather of Taliban....what can be more derogatory than that. period.

No Sir, that is not correct. At one point, Taliban were hailed by the world as noble freedom fighters, and being their godfather at that time was considered an honor. But, as always, things change, and those who do not change with them, find being out of sync with the times rather difficult.