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These are discussions when the belly is full and stove still warm.

People are dying of hunger, thirst and lack of healthcare and the veil seems to be the choice of our struggle. I guess we also have a veil on our eyes and mind that we are so oblivious to the reality.

We are not providing basic human rights to women and find newer ideas of oppressing them. We have no system to make sure they get their share in inheritance, education is still taboo in many places, we have people abusing the divorce laws and we are oppressing them with social evils like muttah and halala.

Yet we are here discussing pointless issues.

Mohammed empowered women first and we are hell bent on undoing that.

Stop this double standard and stop masquerading cultural oppression as islamic values.

If a certain article of faith that is 'Fardh' is projected as being not 'Fardh', then it is a direct attack on Islam itself, and needs to be countered vociferously. Don't try to trivialize the issue.
 
Explanation of Eminent Mufasireen



1. “Imam Ibn Jarir at-Tabri (Rahimuhullah) and Imam al Hafidh Ibn Kathir (Rahimuhullah) mention under 33:59”

حدثنـي علـيّ، قال: ثنا أبو صالـح، قال: ثنـي معاوية، عن علـيّ، عن ابن عبـاس، قوله: { يا أيُّها النَّبِـيُّ قُلْ لأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَناتِكَ وَنِساءِ الـمُؤْمِنِـينَ يُدْنِـينَ عَلَـيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلابِـيبِهِنَّ } أمر الله نساء الـمؤمنـين إذا خرجن من بـيوتهنّ فـي حاجة أن يغطين وجوههنّ من فوق رؤوسهنّ بـالـجلابـيب، ويبدين عيناً واحدة

Translation: Ibn Abbas(RA) narrated regarding (Allah’s) order [O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them…] that Allah commanded the believing women, when they went out of their houses for some need, to cover their faces from above their heads with the Jilbab, leaving only one eye showing






2. Imam Ibn Kathir (rahimuhullah) also adds after narrating the above:

وقال محمد بن سيرين: سألت عبيدة السلماني عن قول الله عز وجل: { يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَـٰبِيبِهِنَّ } فغطى وجهه ورأسه، وأبرز عينه اليسرى

Translation:
Muhammad bin Sirin said: "I asked `Ubaydah As-Salmani about the Ayah:(to draw their Jalabib over their bodies.) He covered his face and head, with just his left eye showing.''[Tafsir al Quran al Azim]

Note: Ibn Abbas (RA) holds the highest rank amongst Sahaba in exegesis of Quran






3. “Imam Qurtubi (Rahimuhullah) under 33:59”

فقال ابن عباس وعَبيدة السَّلْمانيّ: ذلك أن تلوِيه المرأة حتى لا يظهر منها إلا عين واحدة تُبصر بها

Ibn Abbas (RA) and Ubaida as Salmaani(RA) said: It (Jilbab) should fully cover the body of woman and nothing should appear but one eye with which she can see."





4. ”Imam Jalal ud din Suyuti (Rahimuhullah) under 33:59”

يَا أَيّهَا النَّبِيّ قُلْ لِأَزْوَاجِك وَبَنَاتك وَنِسَاء الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلَابِيبهنَّ" جَمْع جِلْبَاب وَهِيَ الْمُلَاءَة الَّتِي تَشْتَمِل بِهَا الْمَرْأَة أَيْ يُرْخِينَ بَعْضهَا عَلَى الْوُجُوه إذَا خَرَجْنَ لِحَاجَتِهِنَّ إلَّا عَيْنًا وَاحِدَة "ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى" أَقْرَب إلَى "أَنْ يُعْرَفْنَ" بِأَنَّهُنَّ حَرَائِر "فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ" بِالتَّعَرُّضِ لَهُنَّ بِخِلَافِ الْإِمَاء فَلَا يُغَطِّينَ وُجُوههنَّ فَكَانَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ يَتَعَرَّضُونَ لَهُنَّ "وَكَانَ اللَّه غَفُورًا" لِمَا سَلَفَ مِنْهُنَّ مِنْ تَرْك السِّتْر "رَحِيمًا" بِهِنَّ إذْ سَتَرَهُنَّ

Translation: O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks closely over themselves (jalābīb is the plural of jilbāb, which is a wrap that covers a woman totally) - in other words, let them pull part of it [also] over their faces, leaving one eye [visible], when they need to leave [the house] for something. That makes it likelier that they will be known, to be free women, and not be molested, by being approached. In contrast, slavegirls did not use to cover their faces and so the disbelievers used to pester them. And God is Forgiving, of any occasion in the past when they may have neglected to cover themselves, Merciful, to them in His veiling them.[Tafsir al Jalalyn]

By the way for those who wanted scholars view on this and yes It's copy paste


Already explained in post#153

And you have to prove that 80% of the scholars consider Niqab Fardh ... remember ??

Let me make it easier for you. Forget the rest ... Just prove that all 4 Imams of Fiqh considered Niqab Fardh .... And I will accept your view ... But if you can't, then please refrain from spreading lies and inventing falsehoods like this. Allah has cursed liars
 
If a certain article of faith that is 'Fardh' is projected as being not 'Fardh', then it is a direct attack on Islam itself, and needs to be countered vociferously. Don't try to trivialize the issue.

Let Him be the judge. He reserves this right. I am only asking people to believe in Allah and be content with it.

It is not the matter of being fardh, it is purely related to Taqwa.

I cannot continue this discussion as i am least knowledgeable of you all. I am here to learn.
 
Already explained in post#153

And you have to prove that 80% of the scholars consider Niqab Fardh ... remember ??

Let me make it easier for you. Forget the rest ... Just prove that all 4 Imams of Fiqh considered Niqab Fardh .... And I will accept your view ... But if you can't, then please refrain from spreading lies and inventing falsehoods like this. Allah has cursed liars
4 of them considered Niqab compulsory. Your denial won't change it

https://www.deoband.org/2009/04/con...qab-and-its-obligation-in-the-hanafi-madhhab/

Here is one link
 
4 of them considered Niqab compulsory. Your denial won't change it

Alright ... So you admit that you can't backup your claim

But you refuse to quit lying ... Your choice, mate

Allah has cursed the liars

Peace
 
Do you think I'm hard? You don't tell these so called men to take it easy on a female? Sorry but they get put in their place if they can't be more subtle in speech.

You are just as much as a Muslim than any of them. If you can convey your message in a sweet manner, I think that a lot more people would be willing to listen to you. IDK

I just think that being polite and nice gets you along a lot further rather than being confrontational.
 
Stupidity, arrogance, and sheer inability to differentiate between reality and warped imagination/assumptions .... best to leave such people in their little worlds. It is a fight against themselves only.
 
Alright ... So you admit that you can't backup your claim

But you refuse to quit lying ... Your choice, mate

Allah has cursed the liars

Peace
I am not lying you are but who I am talking to one who rejects Hadith so I expect nothing from you
 
I am not lying ...


Yes, You are...

Prove your claim that all 4 Imams considered Niqab Fardh

And if you can't, no need to quote me again .. Both of us have said what we had to .. No point in repeating same things over and over again
 
Yes, You are...

Prove your claim that all 4 Imams considered Niqab Fardh

And if you can't, no need to quote me again .. Both of us have said what we had to .. No point in repeating same things over and over again
No you are
 
4 of them considered Niqab compulsory. Your denial won't change it
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Wrong.

You are just as much as a Muslim than any of them. If you can convey your message in a sweet manner, I think that a lot more people would be willing to listen to you. IDK

I just think that being polite and nice gets you along a lot further rather than being confrontational.

My very first post was nice, I was nice to others too but these guys ask for it.

I can't be too nice to everyone, I am bold for a reason. With guys sometimes girls have to be
 

Wrong.



My very first post was nice, I was nice to others too but these guys ask for it.

I can't be too nice to everyone, I am bold for a reason. With guys sometimes girls have to be[/QUOTE]


Totally right Imams of Fiqh and also of Hadith and majority of Mufasireen consider covering face compulsory
@Divergent1
 
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