Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[Zibago]

There is no debate on Hijab only there is debate whether covering face is compulsory or not majority says it's compulsory others say not compulsory but preferred. And Hijab is of huge importance and also is food and better state implements it before people decides to do it on there own and soon Muslims will have laws which would make Hijab compulsory either current Goverments will do it or they will be thrown out for good.

Yes there is some scholars claim its optional some say its compulsory thats why most countries dont have a compulsory hijab law

Nah people are cool with optional hijab law thats why you dont see massive protests for beheading of no hijabis

 

[Zarvan]

Yes there is some scholars claim its optional some say its compulsory thats why most countries dont have a compulsory hijab law

Nah people are cool with optional hijab law thats why you dont see massive protests for beheading of no hijabis

No scholar say Hijab is optional only debate is about whether Niqab is compulsory or not. Not a single scholar on face of the earth claims that Hijab is optional. The person who claims this is either haven't studied Islam at all or is working for some western Government. As for Hijab being mandatory it would be made by Governments soon otherwise people will make sure Government does it.

 

[El Sidd]

No scholar say Hijab is optional only debate is about whether Niqab is compulsory or not. Not a single scholar on face of the earth claims that Hijab is optional. The person who claims this is either haven't studied Islam at all or is working for some western Government. As for Hijab being mandatory it would be made by Governments soon otherwise people will make sure Government does it.

 

[Verve]

you sir, have alot of tharak

You sir, are an idiot who can't see the context.

 

[M. Sarmad]

This is what I have read on the matter. Amongst Muslims, only the Rawafidh (terminology used for Shias in religious texts) have opined that a woman can show her face. Other than that, all four imams unanimously agree that the face must be covered. Amongst them, the most lenient view is that of Imam Abu Hanifa Rahimahullah that the eyes can be left uncovered.

You have been grossly misinformed ... The majority opinion always had been that face covering is not mandatory for women..... Face is not considered ‘awrah' in the three main schools of Sunni jurisprudence. The only exception is the minority Hanbali (Wahhabi) School. Even among Hanbalis, many prominent scholars and jurists have endorsed the viewpoint of the other three schools that covering of face is not obligatory (Fardh)

whether covering face is compulsory or not, majority says it's compulsory

Majority ??? Wahhabis/Hanbalis are a small minority, thankfully

 

[CriticalThought]

You have been grossly misinformed ... The majority opinion always had been that face covering is not mandatory for women..... Face is not considered ‘awrah' in the three main schools of Sunni jurisprudence. The only exception is the minority Hanbali (Wahhabi) School. Even among Hanbalis, many prominent scholars and jurists have endorsed the viewpoint of the other three schools that covering of face is not obligatory (Fardh)



Wahhabis/Hanbalis are a small minority, thankfully

Don't try to tell me about the Fiqh that I follow. Thank you. You are simply spreading misinformation regarding established Ma'dhabs of Aimma-e-Arba'aah.

 

[Zarvan]

You have been grossly misinformed ... The majority opinion always had been that face covering is not mandatory for women..... Face is not considered ‘awrah' in the three main schools of Sunni jurisprudence. The only exception is the minority Hanbali (Wahhabi) School. Even among Hanbalis, many prominent scholars and jurists have endorsed the viewpoint of the other three schools that covering of face is not obligatory (Fardh)



Wahhabis/Hanbalis are a small minority, thankfully

No Hanafis and Malikis and Hanabalis and Shafi and Salafi and sufis majority of them consider covering face compulsory I am not misinformed but you for sure are and all the Hadith rejectors.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Don't try to tell me about the Fiqh that I follow. Thank you. You are simply spreading misinformation regarding established Ma'dhabs of Aimma-e-Arba'aah.

I am only telling you about the Fiqh that you don't follow. You guys have a habit of falsely presenting the minority view (that you follow) as the view of the majority.

No Hanafis and Malikis and Hanabalis and Shafi and Salafi and sufis majority of them consider covering face compulsory

Because Zarvan says so ??

 

[CriticalThought]

I am only telling you about the Fiqh that you don't follow. You guys have a habit of falsely presenting the minority view that you follow as the view of the majority.

That is a baseless allegation against myself. Retract it or I will report your post. You are falsely projecting the Rafadhi view as the majority view.

• Face veil is well established in Afghanistan.
• It is well established in Pakistan.
• It is well established in Saudi Arabia.
• Full veil in Qatar:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79539&page=1

Upon arriving at Doha International Airport, as a 22-year-old American female coming as part of an ABCNEWS Nightline team to cover the then-imminent Iraq war, I took one glance around the baggage claim and realized that, apart from my fellow journalists, every woman was completely covered in the black abaya. Many women wore a second veil over their faces, revealing only their eyes.

• Full veil in gulf countries:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2010/04/30/glance-burqa-niqab-and-hijab

The niqab is a veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear. However, it may be worn with a separate eye veil. It is worn with an accompanying headscarf.

The niqab is most common in the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, and the UAE. It is also common in Pakistan.

It is sometimes alleged that the face-veil was originally part of women's dress among certain classes in the Byzantine Empire and was adopted into Muslim culture during the Arab conquest of the Middle East.

The claimed rationale of the niqab comes from the Qur'an and Hadith.

Does this look like a minority view to you?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

You know what?

**** this.

If a woman doesn't want to show her face, you pervi faggots can not make her. Try as hard as you want, but If the woman herself doesn't want to, then **** off.

 

[M. Sarmad]

That is a baseless allegation against myself. Retract it or I will report your post. You are falsely projecting the Rafadhi view as the majority view.

• Face veil is well established in Afghanistan.
• It is well established in Pakistan.
• It is well established in Saudi Arabia.
• Full veil in Qatar:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79539&page=1

• Full veil in gulf countries:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2010/04/30/glance-burqa-niqab-and-hijab


Does this look like a minority view to you?

I, unlike you and @Zarvan, am not lying, nor am I presenting my "own" views

Read post # 153 and 191

I have quoted two of the most prominent Hanbali/Salafist scholars...... Not my own words

Report/abuse them for falsely projecting the Shia view as majority view.

Try again

 

[CriticalThought]

You know what?

**** this.

If a woman doesn't want to show her face, you pervi faggots can not make her. Try as hard as you want, but If the woman herself doesn't want to, then **** off.

In a proper Muslim government, the Caliph, or the designated Ameer will enforce all rules of Shariah upon pain of punishment. If this is not happening in Pakistan today, it's because we don't have a proper Islamic government.

 

[xairhossi]

Our countries our rules.

In our culture its an absolute importance to see the other persons face. Someone with no face is no person and excludes from society. Its like a cancer cell. Air.

I believe alot more should be banned than veil. Anyone wearing this shit should be deported. And i mean this serious. Its un italian and un european.

Though veil is too extreme, traditional Italian female dress did have head coverings. Infact, women not covering their head is modern post 19th entury phenomenon. Almost all traditional female dresses in European cultures had a head covering.

 

[CriticalThought]

I, unlike you and @Zarvan, am not lying, nor am I presenting my "own" views

Read post # 153.

I have quoted two of the most prominent Hanbali/Salafist scholars...... Not my own words

Report/abuse them for falsely projecting the Shia view as majority view.

Try again

The Council of Ideology is a government appointed non-entity whose recommendations the government itself doesn't follow, whom the liberals slag off for whatever views it has presented, and whom the conservatives do not trust.

The Egyptian university Al-Azhar is considered authentic by the likes of American politicians. Amongst true Muslims, it has lost its credibility because of leaning too much towards worldliness and materialistic gains.

There is a huge difference between a 'prominent figure', and an 'authentic figure'. From Wikipedia, it becomes clear that he was a prominently controversial figure, whose views were rejected by his contemporaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Nasiruddin_al-Albani

In the 1960s, Albani was invited to teach at the Islamic University of Madinah in Saudi Arabia. His views were opposed by numerous traditional clerics and his contract allowed to lapse. He later returned from Syria for a brief time in the 1970s as the head of higher education in Islamic law in Mecca. He again aroused too much opposition, and returned to Syria. After serving time under house arrest by the Syrian government in 1979, Albani moved to Jordan, where he resided for the rest of his life.

So, you are trying to spread misinformation based on the rejected views of a controversial figure. Definitely a Rafadhi ploy, if ever there was one.

And Zakir Naik is also one of the same type of 'self-taught' semi-scholars who gain popularity amongst common people because they can quote from many books.

Though veil is too extreme, traditional Italian female dress did have head coverings. Infact, women not covering their head is modern post 19th entury phenomenon. Almost all traditional female dresses in European cultures had a head covering.

Back in the 12-14th centuries and earlier, the face veil was a definite part of the attire of Christian women. It was abolished, like many other aspects of religion, under the Renaissance movement.

 

[Divergent]

Due to the current climate, is it safe for Muslim Women to wear face veils in Western Countries?

Before continuation it is emphasised that I respect and will legally defend the rights of women to dress however they desire including the face veil, safeguard their rights for doing so and one does not support calls to ban the face veil produced in the West.

Morally it is advised IN Western Countries not to because:

1) It is not mandated by Faith

2) It is not conducive to the current atmosphere where terrorists have used the attire to escape such as:

• Yaseen Omar a member of the 21 terrorist cell used the attire to flee
• Mustapha Jama slipped out off UK with attempted murder
• Ahmed abused the dress to abscond in West London

3) There is a very powerful saying derived from Faith 'Do not over-burden yourself'.

4) It is not safe for these women especially when the attire is abused and will endanger them due to excessive suspiciousness and uninvited discrimination

5) It does come under matter of Security for personal and public well being.

Divergent.

I want people to refer back to this post.

And not make things up like face covering is 'Fardh'.

Keep to the topic.