F313 (Ghaher) mock-up: To how extend was acceptable?

[Argus Panoptes]

It seems the Iranian government is hell bent on ensuring that it somehow justifies its laughing stock.
Unless they plan on getting midgets to fly that thing.. and If that "prototype" even holds together in air..
the ghahar is just a خجالت to them which they could have easily avoided by calling it what it is:
a mock up.

Mockups are an integral part of any airplane project, are they not? What is wrong with the F-313 mockup?

Mockup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mosamania]

Mockups are an integral part of any airplane project, are they not? What is wrong with the F-313 mockup?

Mockup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is not a mock-up dear

It is the original design which they plan to flight test soon, the same aircraft

 

[Argus Panoptes]

It is not a mock-up dear

It is the original design which they plan to flight test soon, the same aircraft

It sure looks like a mockup to my untrained eyes, and not a real airplane. I think this can be used for wind tunnel testing and refining the control systems before an actual prototype can fly.

 

[Mosamania]

It sure looks like a mockup to my untrained eyes, and not a real airplane. I think this can be used for wind tunnel testing and refining the control systems before an actual prototype can fly.

No no, the media and everyone say this is the real prototype... And there is nothing wrong with your untrained eyes dear

 

[BordoEnes]

And this presentation which has taken days of me to be prepared is my response to the ugly propaganda of our government who thinks his nation is so joke that will accept any type of Ghaher-$hit!!!

Respect to this comment, These propaganda spreading retards are mocking both Iranians and other military analyst with this eyesour of an plane. They completly lowered the standart to a point that you only can feel sorry for them.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

No no, the media and everyone say this is the real prototype... And there is nothing wrong with your untrained eyes dear

I will be amazed if that is true. I still think this is a fiberglass, plastic and perspex mockup.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Everything has its beauty but not everyone sees it. - Confucius

I did not talk about beauty, There are only facts and comparisons in the presentation.

The plane is size of F16

Thanks, that's kind of you!

its hight is lower then F35

F35 height: 4.38 m (manufacture website.)

F16 height: 4.8 m (US air force factsheets)

F35 height is less than F16 height. Ghaher height is less than F35 height, as you said. Then Ghaher is much lower than F16. But it was in size of F16! Aaaah! you know what, the design is unique! that makes Ghaher to be in size of F16 but at the same time to be lower than F35. The shape is so uncommon that personally I am not sure which direction is the front side!

and its shorter in length then F35

Wow! your eyes precision, sir! How you find the Ghaher has size of F16 but shorter than F35. The tolerance is only 90cm:

F35 length: 15.7 m (manufacture website.)

F16 length: 14.8 m (US air force factsheets)

F35 has vertical landing engines in center of plane which is why its slightly longer

Only F35B has that fan. But interesting point is that the length of F35B (15.6m) is less than F35A (15.7m) and F35C (15.7m).

The landing gear (Back tire) appears to be small in size but it does not mean it cannot land.

The presentation do not say it lacks landing but comparison shows the size is comparable with light fighters like F5.

Cannopy:
Its a Bubble Canoppy , and in image there is a headlight above which is causing some visibility issue But at same time , that distortion is on the edes of the cannopy not in the area where pilot views the horizon and around the plane.

So, if canopy was not required to be visible through those regions why has it been built like that?

Why is there no Airlock , well there is some rubber locking mechanism

"rubber locking mechanism" in a war fighter canopy? is there other example?

visible on edges of the Cannopy

Please show us a picture where you mean, exactly.

The technilogical challenge was to build a cannopy they did that

Indeed, they did.

Iran has proven that it can still purchase parts from West undetected , all the parts are a functional requirement
for flying a plane. They relay DATA needed to fly a plane BOTTOM line. Would they look fancy fit no but would they help get the job done (YES)

The avionics of a fighter should be different than a commercial little bird!

Iran manufactures screen and displays for Medical devices, it makes HUDs displays for F-5 jets it has engineering know how to make`dashbords for cars`so what makes you think they will not be able to produce a state of art dashboard and Avionics package for their plane.

I never said that, The problem is why has Ghaher been unveiled at such an unready state.

For a pilot the most important thing to view is Orientationon Horizon , Radar feedback , and Target and fire controls This is fully integrated into the Q-313 design even using basic modular items

Orientationon Horizon: ???
Radar feedback: there is no dedicated display to show the feedback.
Target and fire controls: Where do you see this?

The demonstration was pretty much a slap in US sanctions face that look we can still access plane parts

Oh, yes. Now I understand why they make a joke from Iranian.

Here is the work done by Iranian Engineers for interior of car made in Iran

That is a graphical design. and pretty an acceptable one. But please do not talk about our car industry quality when it comes to mass production. Even Iraq rejects those products!

How difficult would be for iran to make the plane interior preety Evert god damn part in car interior is made in iran If they were in a beauty contest they probbly would have made it pretty but the requirement is to use what is available and make a functional stealth fighter

What is the relation between interior design and stealth?

Weapons Bay: Sure they did not disclose much detail too early (Benefit of doubt)

There was nothing to be called as weapon bay on the "as project manager said" the original fighter.

Stealth Design:
Yes there are no nuts and bolts on the plane, the tail and intakes all exhibit stealth design
Plus they have radars to check the design validity

It is a confusion between first generation sharp edged stealth design like F117 which is retired from service with mix of some round parts in wings, canopy and ...

And they also posses Jet Engines to use for the design

?

Yeah and the Avionics you see this man is using is .. a figment of your imagination hahaha

Please check the threat title, again. The title does not say "it is not possible for Iran to perform better than Ghaher." but "how mature it was when it was unveiled."

If the Simulator constructed by Iran is so sophisticated what do you think they will add to Qaher 313 ? lol

They should act more sophisticated than this.

 

[Screambowl]

I could not see the throttle stick in the canopy

 

[Cool_Soldier]

There are doubt about this plane.
see link
DefenceQaher F313 New Stealth Fighter Jet is Unveiled by Iran

There are doubt about this plane.
see link
http://www.defencedot.com/iran-unveiled-new-qaher-f313/

http://www.defencedot.com/iran-unveiled-new-qaher-f313/

 

[Argus Panoptes]

This is a key image:

Note the sidewall of the cockpit on the far side. It clearly shows the backside of fiberglass with two reinforcing runners. The port edge of the instrument panel has been fitted after a notch has been cut in the rough edge of the fiberglass mold, with fraying of the fibers visible.

This cannot be a real aircraft but a mockup.

 

[ptldM3]

cheap commercial avionics. Fake canopy that is probably not flight worthy. Landing gear bays that look too thin to be real. And as mentioned the inside of the cockpit shows that the side look to be a mold and looks very thin to be a real airframe.

To me this is an empty shell and by empty shell I mean it is probably constructed from wood or fiberglass.

 

[SQ8]

Mockups are an integral part of any airplane project, are they not? What is wrong with the F-313 mockup?

Mockup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is the idea.. if that was claimed to be a mockup.. it would still be not laughed at..
however. Iran is insisting that its the real deal.

Also.. even for a mockup.. there are more than a few things wrong with it aerodynamically.
And before someone talks about scale models flying..
this also flies

 

[Argus Panoptes]

That is the idea.. if that was claimed to be a mockup.. it would still be not laughed at..
however. Iran is insisting that its the real deal................

Now that is a claim that is totally ludicrous. I now see what the issue is here. Thank you for explaining.

 

[acetophenol]

Its the cockpit that really blows the whistle,how much info can be seen from there?

 

[Screambowl]

no need to do any more researches .. because the throttle itself is missing in the canopy. it is a mock or scaled model