F16 ARE NO GOOD AGAINST THE US AIR FORCE

[notorious_eagle]

First..put the JF17 in some war game, evaluate and then compare.

We have done so and many times, looks like you have not been following the news. PAF has put through the JF17 through extensive A2A and A2G grind, so far it has managed to exceed all the expectations thus evaluation has all been completed.

With what specification JF17 is having, it can be compared to the upgraded Mig 21 Bison Versions and at max Mirage fighters in IAF.

Mirage 2000 for sure but not the MIG21 Bison. Seems to me that your information about fighter aircrafts is very limited or you wouldn't have made a dumb claim like that. If you believe what you say is true, you are more than welcome to prove me wrong.

Su 30 MKI comes in the league of top 5 operational fighters in the world. Respect the fact.

No doubt its a very credible fighter with some very impressive features, but i fail to see how its a game changer in our part of the world. PAF feels very confident that it can defend against the SU30MKI and looking at the specification of this aircraft, i am confident too that PAF will be able to defend against the SU30MKI if proper tactics are employed.

As of today, you can not compare the SU 30 Mki with any of the inventory in PAF arsenal.

This is your biggest mistake if you actually think that PAF will fight SU30MKI 1 on 1. Wars are not fought 1 on 1, they are fought in a collective cohesive strategy to maximize the effectiveness of their assets. You can be sure that we will not be sending an F7 to fight the SU30MKI 1 on 1

 

[regular]

Within the war we are not even going to use our thunders to attack within India but our cruise missiles are enough for that business. So U indian guyz are just wasting ure time in comparing the aircrafts.....

 

[SQ8]

JF-17 questions and info can be carried out at the JF-17 thread.

What this thread assumes is that the F-16's electronics will be useless against any American forces.
Yes and No.

First, the US will know the capabilities of the F-16's radar, and so will be using their EW techniques very effectively against the F-16's. They will also know the limitations of the weaponry our F-16's carry and will try to exploit them as much as possible.

However, The systems are US built.. and so they were designed to work under most hostile conditions, which means that even against US forces.. a Aim-120 will guide the way it is programmed to.. and will home on jam. An aim-9M will lock on to the heat source, will track it as it is designed to. US forces know this, and they will try to use their knowledge of this to stay outside the limits of the weapons and fool the systems. But it does not mean that these weapons will be useless. They are without a shadow of a doubt some of the deadliest aerial weapon systems in the world today and difficult to counter even by their own makers.

 

[Sinnerman108]

JF-17 questions and info can be carried out at the JF-17 thread.

What this thread assumes is that the F-16's electronics will be useless against any American forces.
Yes and No.

First, the US will know the capabilities of the F-16's radar, and so will be using their EW techniques very effectively against the F-16's. They will also know the limitations of the weaponry our F-16's carry and will try to exploit them as much as possible.

However, The systems are US built.. and so they were designed to work under most hostile conditions, which means that even against US forces.. a Aim-120 will guide the way it is programmed to..

Santro,

the PAF also knew all of the above,
Please tell us, what happened on the Turkish + PAF joint efforts ?

 

[SQ8]

Santro,

the PAF also knew all of the above,
Please tell us, what happened on the Turkish + PAF joint efforts ?

Joint efforts regarding what?

 

[rissriva]

We have done so and many times, looks like you have not been following the news. PAF has put through the JF17 through extensive A2A and A2G grind, so far it has managed to exceed all the expectations thus evaluation has all been completed.

Link pls...

Mirage 2000 for sure but not the MIG21 Bison. Seems to me that your information about fighter aircrafts is very limited or you wouldn't have made a dumb claim like that. If you believe what you say is true, you are more than welcome to prove me wrong.

Upgraded MIG21 look technically good. May be MOD can give a better explanation here.

No doubt its a very credible fighter with some very impressive features, but i fail to see how its a game changer in our part of the world. PAF feels very confident that it can defend against the SU30MKI and looking at the specification of this aircraft, i am confident too that PAF will be able to defend against the SU30MKI if proper tactics are employed.

With proper tactics even F22 or any Air Superiority Fighter like Su 30 Mki can be brought down. So agree with u.

This is your biggest mistake if you actually think that PAF will fight SU30MKI 1 on 1. Wars are not fought 1 on 1, they are fought in a collective cohesive strategy to maximize the effectiveness of their assets. You can be sure that we will not be sending an F7 to fight the SU30MKI 1 on 1

Quantitatively and qualitatively, Pakistan lacks both. How many JF 17 do u have to counter the present Su30 Mki count of 120 ?

 

[SQ8]

Link pls...




Upgraded MIG21 look technically good. May be MOD can give a better explanation here.



With proper tactics even F22 or any Air Superiority Fighter like Su 30 Mki can be brought down. So agree with u.



Quantitatively and qualitatively, Pakistan lacks both. How many JF 17 do u have to counter the present Su30 Mki count of 120 ?

First, look through the existing thread.. you will get a lot of your answers there.
Second, this isnt the topic for this.

 

[rockstarIN]

JF-17 questions and info can be carried out at the JF-17 thread.

What this thread assumes is that the F-16's electronics will be useless against any American forces.
Yes and No.

First, the US will know the capabilities of the F-16's radar, and so will be using their EW techniques very effectively against the F-16's. They will also know the limitations of the weaponry our F-16's carry and will try to exploit them as much as possible.

However, The systems are US built.. and so they were designed to work under most hostile conditions, which means that even against US forces.. a Aim-120 will guide the way it is programmed to.. and will home on jam. An aim-9M will lock on to the heat source, will track it as it is designed to. US forces know this, and they will try to use their knowledge of this to stay outside the limits of the weapons and fool the systems. But it does not mean that these weapons will be useless. They are without a shadow of a doubt some of the deadliest aerial weapon systems in the world today and difficult to counter even by their own makers.

Since US knows the the frequency of their home made F-16s Radars, isn't it very easy to confuse it?

The same goes for AIM-120 data link, very prone to jamming by USAF. But aim-9m will be spot on.

Su-27 was lost to sa-6(?) IN Georgian war.

 

[Super Falcon]

well whatever but i think PAf should now think something beyond F 16 series specially when nest time they think they want to buy fighter jets

 

[amalakas]

i have read some really wild things on this thread....

 

[Kaniska]

You have either problem in understanding English or as usual deliberately trying to destroy the discussion.

It is possible to answer your rant in tit for tat manner, but i ignore it for the sake of saving a meaningful discussion.

Let me make it simple for you...
Do you believe the notion that defense suppliers temper or bug their defense exports?

How would you rate world's defense supplier in trust? If possible list them down in order of your trust!

While formulating your next post, consider your own case and forget about Pakistan for once.

Mods... is there any limit !!!!!!!!!!

@batman...i dont understand what is something illogical that i have mentioned that you just requesting to mod....here is the fact...even the same fact applies to ant nation including india too...if india think that it can fight with superpower like US/Russia....then every one will laugh at us...this is reality...every one has a capacity and limit...when some one think more than that then there is a issue...Again as you mentioned about defence suppliers..yes i agree with your argument but my point is that there may not be a possibility of war between pak and usa rather...pakistan always plans its force wrt india...so F-16 is a valid purchase at that point of time in 1990 when geopolitics was different...

So be cool....dont get hyper too much...i dont need to learn eng...to learn your fact..

 

[danger007]

another jf-17 stuff. You people looking low over mki advantages and high over jf-17 low rcs. I think awacs won't guide missiles. And mki carries more bvr missiles than jf-17. For awacs we have novator. . .

 

[Dazzler]

more missiles do not ensure a definite kill bro. This is F-16 topic so should we stay at that?

 

[nomi007]

we must to replace avionics as turkey changed of its f-16s by arsealan

 

[Jungibaaz]

another jf-17 stuff. You people looking low over mki advantages and high over jf-17 low rcs. I think awacs won't guide missiles. And mki carries more bvr missiles than jf-17. For awacs we have novator. . .

How many BVRAAMs are needed one on one?
It is a slight advantage, but nothing significant that can't be made up for.
AWACS can feed info to the aircraft via real time datalink.

and as for Novator.... I'd like to firstly see evidence of it's existence in your inventory...
I've debated this many times on IDF before....

IMHO the missile is impractical, mainly because a radar lock at 400km is a very hard thing to do, to keep radar lock till the missile homes in to it's target by itself is very hard, to beat the on-board ECM/EW of modern AWACS is a very very hard Job, the missile then has to be fired at a range where it can give chase and isn't simply out ran by it's target and of course this Novator missile is huge... almost twice as large in length then other AAMs, more then twice as large diameter and it weighs much much more and is not very maneuverable...

The Novator is overrated and the chances of you shooting down an AWACS are unlikely, wit MKI threat yo think we'd leave the big birds without escorts and other protection?