F-60 / J-31 stealth fighter aircraft for Pakistan Air Force?

[That Guy]

No comparison between pak fa which is joint fifth gen project with worldwide coverage of testing and induction plans for both stakeholders ie Russia and India.
In contrast j31 is s top secret chinese fighter that has zero Pakistani involement. No financial input or tech input. So all this speculation is fanboy we hope china builds this then hopefully give us donate two squdrons. This stuff we know more than you is fantasy land. This is a nation so limited in resources and options that virtually every thing is on credit.

Limited resources? Pakistan has quite rich in resources, the problem is that they've never been exploited properly. Once we get good governance and start exploiting those resources, Pakistan is set to become quite a large economy.

As for everything else you've said, you and I have already had this conversation before. Please don't bring up things that you already know have already been answered and don't be so rude as to say that this is merely fanboy behavior, because we can say the same for you.

 

[That Guy]

are you sure about that??any official news regarding the induction??

Nothing official, because at this point everything is up for debate, but the general consensus among analysts and experts is that this is most likely going to happen. China usually uses Pakistan to showcase it's military hardware to the international world, and if the J-31 is indeed to be for international purposes as Chinese officials have hinted at, then you can guarantee that China is once again going to use Pakistan to showcase it's products.

Now you may be wondering "Why Pakistan? Why not the Chinese air force itself?" Because in terms of air warfare, Pakistan is extremely experienced, where are China is not. The general belief is that international markets would rather trust an experienced air force rather than an inexperienced one. Not to mention that the Chinese can say "hey, look at our products! Other nations are using it too, which means that you should probably buy them, since other nations would only buy them because they're good!", and whether that's true or not is up for debate, but it's a good marketing strategy.

 

[Storm Force]

In answer to what is joint on pak fa try 5.billion dollars of Indian money. On development cost. Without Indian money Russian arms industry is fukrd

 

[Munir]

Naaaa, Russia is not in the same state as when you bought MKI. You must check their economy first before telling that it is your ho.

Russians milk you. Look at outdated aircraftcarrier deal and many more... You pay for it and you have no clue how much... Good, we rather have you in that position while we get free parts from USA, China and many more.

 

[Sinnerman108]

In answer to what is joint on pak fa try 5.billion dollars of Indian money. On development cost. Without Indian money Russian arms industry is fukrd

Are you suggesting that russian equipment is not fit for sale all over the globe but India ?

 

[Storm Force]

Just like u people claim jf17 is s pak fighter and u have huge threads open on export potential of thunder the Indians have the same rights on pak fa. Obviously a far more advanced project costing twenty x as much to develope. Most important India has open access to add Israeli French even USA technology into their version of pak fa.

This is why munirs claims of pak getting new gen fighters before india are so fantasy remarks . With no project involvement. No cash input no ability to add western tech wat would China gain letting u guys get this fighter. My guess is no j31 for export for five to ten years after plaaf induction.or 2030 timeframe

 

[INDIAISM]

Naaaa, Russia is not in the same state as when you bought MKI. You must check their economy first before telling that it is your ho.

Russians milk you. Look at outdated aircraftcarrier deal and many more... You pay for it and you have no clue how much... Good, we rather have you in that position while we get free parts from USA, China and many more.

And we will like to pay the price that we are paying for Russian equipment then the way you get free parts from US of A and to some extent from China{Soft Loan} because in both the cases your country men are putting your National Honour on Stake...

 

[bigzgvr4]

its is not look at afghan russian war they lost because of stingers and f-16s, look at iraq iran war Iraq could not counter american tech that iran had after the shah was out of power, Look at Syria getting ran through like a **** star becuase its russian equipment is garbage israel and FsA are taking over where is the syrian russian Made Sams when Israel bombs millitary targets,

RUSSIAN Equipment is Garbage Period

 

[Munir]

And we will like to pay the price that we are paying for Russian equipment then the way you get free parts from US of A and to some extent from China{Soft Loan} because in both the cases your country men are putting your National Honour on Stake...

At least we are not notoriously raping tourists or little children... Incredible India.

Latest Pentagon report talks about 2018 as J20-J31 entering operational status...

 

[SQ8]

hmmm so as the above guy mentioned... can PAF Induct a squadron before IAF? will they provide squadron before they fulfilling the requirements of PLAAF?

Depends on the status of the fighter.

money might be an issue but i think whats more important is perhaps they've felt that its not necessary?? of course according to ur current threat perceptions buying and maintaining such machines cost huge..so i think its more related to cost/benefit ratio rather than just cost..what do u say abt it??

It's always about cost/benefits. opponents of the JF-17 too dont take that factor into account.

 

[Storm Force]

Pentagon reports 2018 are referring to plaaf induction not pakistan who are not in project

 

[FarazUSA]

its is not look at afghan russian war they lost because of stingers and f-16s, look at iraq iran war Iraq could not counter american tech that iran had after the shah was out of power, Look at Syria getting ran through like a **** star becuase its russian equipment is garbage israel and FsA are taking over where is the syrian russian Made Sams when Israel bombs millitary targets,

RUSSIAN Equipment is Garbage Period

Don't give out blanket statements like these. Our JF-17 also uses Russian engines.

 

[criminally bad]

What is joint in PAKFA?

india and russia. india select own des. name fgfa.

 

[Chak Bamu]

My guess is no j31 for export for five to ten years after plaaf induction.or 2030 timeframe

What does a user name on an internet forum mean? Nothing if one is using a random string of letters. But when one uses own name, it matters.

Making predictions like these is really stupid. What if you are wrong? Would it matter even? Storm Force is just a random name. Not even a dime a dozen... So go on making predictions. We shall see in time.

 

[Munir]

india and russia. india select own des. name fgfa.

There is as much India in it was in Brahmos. Ooops. Sorry. Brahmos is degraded and the Russians are not willing to accept it. Would Russia Give India high tech Pakfa?

Let us be open and honest. Russia uses India as cashcow. There is nothing else. Different status when it comes to Pakistan. That gets the product and cash...