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Then PN will use F-22p near their shore not in the deep sea ,more like a corvette than frigate.
And as you say(in BOLD) it is more like building a base for construction of future warship.
Well, actually, destroyers work about as good or bad against carriers as frigates do. What distinguished the two is a) air defence capability and/or b) land attack capability, but most importantly c) sustained capability of any kind (ASW, ASuW, AAW, LA).WE need more Destroyers frigates are good but we know that they won't work too well against aircraft cariers so we should forget about frigates and focu on destroyers and subs.
Of the current 6 Type 21 frigates, only 3 have LY-60 SAM (plus 2x 30mm AAA but not Harpoon AshM) and only 3 have Phalanx CIWS (plus Harpoon but no LY-60 and no 30mm AAA). By contrast, every F-22P has 2x 30mm gatling AAA (coupled into a single CIWS), FM-90/HQ-7 SAM and C-802 AShM. It's 76mm gun is better suited for AAW as is the 4,5" on the ex-UK ships. I would consider that to be an improvement in self-defence capability against both aircraft and missiles as well as against ships. PN does not do wider area air defense since a) in war with India it plans to operate its ships under land based fighter cover and b) out of area operations would mostly be during peacetime and/or as part of larger international force.If Pakistan navy can not put better air defence system on Frigrates then to buy new Frigrates or not to buy is same "meaningless".
Of the current 6 Type 21 frigates, only 3 have LY-60 SAM (plus 2x 30mm AAA but not Harpoon AshM) and only 3 have Phalanx CIWS (plus Harpoon but no LY-60 and no 30mm AAA). By contrast, every F-22P has 2x 30mm gatling AAA (coupled into a single CIWS), FM-90/HQ-7 SAM and C-802 AShM. It's 76mm gun is better suited for AAW as is the 4,5" on the ex-UK ships. I would consider that to be an improvement in self-defence capability against both aircraft and missiles as well as against ships. PN does not do wider area air defense since a) in war with India it plans to operate its ships under land based fighter cover and b) out of area operations would mostly be during peacetime and/or as part of larger international force.
We should remember Atlantique Incident which took place in the Rann of Kutch on August 10, 1999. That took place because fighters were not with Atlantique for support. In war with India fighter cover will be available to Frigrates. But question is that without effective air defence system Frigrates will be safe. Yes aster 30 is heavier but no need to adjust Vertical Lanching system with 16 missels that can be with 8 missels or even with 6 missels. Without good long range missel defence system and with fighter cover, ineffective missel system and anti aircraft gun system Pakistan Navy Frigrates are sitting ducks. This is reality and we have to accept this reality.
Hey pengiun,you know alot about all these wessels so,how much do you think an aircraft carrier like the USS abraham licoln would cost and what abot nuclear subs like USS hartford?
thanks.
Penguin.
When is the F22 p arriving in Pakistan? and when will it be formally inducted?
Thanks in advance.
Araz
That's interesting.......cann't see the CIwS guns clearly. i thought there were supposed to be 2 on the f-22's
yes ,you are right ! there are 2 on the f-22
Rubbish!
In weapons alone there are:
2x multiple tubed ASW rocket launchers (forward of the main gun)
2x triple torpedo tubes for lightweight ASW torpedoes (forward of hanger, behind stack)
1x Z-9C helicopter (ASW capable: equipped with dipping sonar, sonar buoys, magnetic anomaly detector and two external weapon pylons to carry up to 2 ET52 a.k.a. Whithead A244/S anti-submarine torpedoes)
You wouldn't put such weapons on a ship if it hadn't the means to target them with. Indeed, F22P has 1x bow mounted sonar. It potentially has 1x sternmounted towed sonar (likely TAS rather than VDS).
Just because it doesn't have an automatic reloading device (visible) for reloading the HQ-7 launcher does not mean there are no spare rounds on board for manual re-loading... And the 76mm gun as well as the 6 barrel 30mm gatlings are distinctly AAW capable too.