As far as i know F-22P are addition to PN surface fleet and they are not replacing Type-21.... the OHPs are as stop gaps..
That remains to be seen.
but still type-21 carries supirior armament like Harpoon, Phalanx, and torpedos, how ever its time for type-21 as a ship to retire...
Only 3 of 6 Type 21s carry Phalanx & Harpoon, and it is by no means a given that these systems are superior to the Chinese SSMs and CIWS on the F-22P (on all of them)
and you think F-22P can do just that? deny and hunt IN subs? dont kid yourself if your intention is just to contradict me..
Uhm I was speaking of 'frigates' as in 'in general'.' Do you think china is not capable of developing a halfway decent sonar suite or ASW-torp? What do you think is on Type 054A then? Or Type 052C? Why can't what's on these be on F-22P as well? How do you know its not. Some Type 053H3 have already been modified to take a compact towed array sonar.
and you do know that FREMM is probibly 4 times better then F-22P?
Says who, on the basis of what? I'm very sceptical of such statements.
And if you are saying that buidling "1" 1980s technology Frigate is going to help pakistan in any way in the future then you are badly mistaken.. even today's prototype or under developed frigates or corvettes are technically atleast 2-2.5 decades ahead of F-22P..
So, how many warships over say 1500 ton has Pakistan built already? Of course is a step forward in shipbuilding. You think e.g. Milgem with is 76mm gun and 21 round RAM launcher and helicopter is much more capable? Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying F-22P is top of the line or the best available. I'm only saying they certainly are not the bottom of the line or a waste of money.
Dont take my words out of context.. i was merely speaking of "AK-176 which is used on 1980s 450tonne class corvettes... our Milgems that we have just singed MOU with turkey have ture state of the art 76mm main gun...
The Oto 76 was designed Compact: 1963 (Super Rapid: 1985) and produced Compact: 1964 (Super Rapid: 1988) . Not exactly a new gun, and found on many a small (under 500 ton) craft. Your point?
You think the Russian (like the Italians) haven't improved this gun over the years.
The 76.2mm AK-176 gun is of Soviet origin and has selectable rates of fire of 30, 60 and 120-130 rounds per minute. The 120 rpm could be achieved by firing a burst of 75 rounds, but afterwards the gun had to cool off for 25-30 minutes. This weapon is considered effective against missiles, consistently shooting down AT-2 Swatter anti-tank guided missiles, taking an average of 25 rounds per missile.
Its the russian Oto 76 equivalent, what's the problem with that?
so you are comparing induction time frame of substandard 25 years old frigate with a next generation submarine...? ohhh please...... and you do know by 2013 will PN have all four of its F-22P while if they build 3 u-boats at home it will be still inducted in shorter period of time then F-22P...
excuse me, if you go back in the thread, you will find that it was not I that brought up the submarine in the first place, so don't go blaming me for that comparison.
Substandard > your words, not mine.
The jiangwei 2 (type 053H3) on which F22P is based dates from 1998, not 1984. You can't seriously suggest the jiangwei 2 is not a substantially different design than jianghu 1.