F-16 Justification---WHY?---ISPR

[Trailer23]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Though you've made a number of valid points, I would have to differ with you on some.

1. When the United States goes out to bomb a nation, they pretty much tell the type of Jets used, which Aircraft Carrier they took off from, where they dropped the Mother Of All Bombs (GBU-43/B) and then...air it on CNN.

2. Justification for usage or not of F-16 might be your point, but I don't believe in defending its crash. Are you not aware of the nation we're up against?!! If he (DG ISPR) does not defend the honor of the Armed Forces, then we might as well get a Civilian to do his job. He had to assure a nation of over 200 Million (strong) that the pride* of the Pakistan Air Force was not shot down by a mere MiG-21.

*Note: To most, the F-16 is still the pride of the PAF.

3. Mind games also come into play of what he disclosed to the Media, because it was televised and got the attention of the other side. I'm pretty sure the information that he relayed was the basis of a number of International & Indian Media to question the Govt. & Military of India of what (actually) happened in Balakot & the events that followed on the 27th of Feb.

What I've been told is that silence is an indication of guilt.

4. Sqn Ldr. leaking info is just a rumor - which hasn't been confirmed. It could very well have been any one on the base that knew someone (family/friend) in Media & accidently leaked it.

5. I would hardly say that the Enemy has moved on. Judging by the Media, the Tweets & the denial mentioned - its safe to say that they are still standing firm on their Strikes on the 26th & downing a F-16. You truly believe that this nation is going to move on - that easily...? Are you not aware of their history? They still think Kargil happened yesterday, which is why they were thinking it was going to be a walk in the park. As for getting new weapons & additional MiG-29's...money talks (simple). If we had the funds, Lord knows what we'd have today. But that is a different topic altogether.

 

[Vortex]

They don't want to embarrass the Russians.

Now we could tell Russians we need this engine for our JF17, this one for AZM projet, and what else ?... hmmm S400 ? Or we will release a sexetape if the SU30...

 

[Shabi1]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Those people in uniform are more qualified than you or I and so far they've done a great job. Beyond expectation. There are still a lot of aces up there sleeves rest assured.

 

[SIPRA]

Your entire post is based on self-made assumptions and conjectures. Pakistan never shared any information that wasn’t already on public domain. None. You have your own reasons for PAF-bashing but please spare the rest of us from this bs.

Good reply, but I doubt, if it would have any lasting effect.

Which information was leaked or given to the public ?

None, whatsoever, but who can stop these keyboard warriors?

 

[alee92nawaz]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Which squadron leader leaked any info and what damaging info is ISPR releasing. Please point out.

Regards

Hi,

Basic 101 of COMBAT & WAR---never embarrass an enemy who is stronger than you---. Actually---never even embarrass an enemy who is weaker than you---.

There is no give and take on leaking operational procedures publicly---.

What HE released is in public domain---. The information that he has given out is running in the public domain---. Everything else was a rumor---.




Hi,

The video of shooting the SU30 should have been leaked out---.

The video of shooting the SU30 should have been leaked out---.

Sadly there isn't any. Soon if any independent source claims that no su-30mki went down then it will be embarrassing

 

[ProudPak]

I think it is better if airchief made statements about airforce matters instead of dgispr as ispr not have indepth knowledge of airforce matter so he should only speak about land forces related matters

Ispr...stands for inter service public relations right? If thats correct then dgispr is the man

 

[dbc]

Hi,


It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

Sorry I completely disagree, ISPR did not reveal any sensitive information.

 

[Dubious]

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

I think they had to release it coz india was crying to USA and falsely accusing Pakistan as it always does...

 

[tkmd]

ISPR is ensuring that up until election day Modi and his allied fatso mallus will all have to sweat it out thanks to their tall tales and ridiculous jingoism. ISPR has from the minute those bastards violated the LOC controlled the narrative. No one needs to second guess them they know what theyre doing along with the rest of our forces.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

We won't curse @MastanKhan If we learn to read b/w the lines.....not just reading the damn lines.

He is 200 percent correct...

He knows what he is talking about. We are taking him and his threads for granted.

Sensitive info should NOT be made public.

Propaganda should be countered but not by government or military itself.

How the call of PAF pilot got leaked? Why the pilot told his family about sensitive operations?

This is blunder of nth order

 

[Dubious]

We have to keep answering until this denial disease is put under check:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/have...s-air-force-refutes-us-journal-report.612063/

 

[MastanKhan]

We have to keep answering until this denial disease is put under check:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/have...s-air-force-refutes-us-journal-report.612063/

Hi,

They do it to keep us busy making explanations and giving out justification---.

We get so busy doing that---that we get entangled in that web---.

That is what they have made us do for the last 20 years since Kargil---kept us on the backfoot---kept us busy giving explanations---.

What do you thin @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mangus Ortus Novem

 

[Dubious]

Hi,

They do it to keep us busy making explanations and giving out justification---.

We get so busy doing that---that we get entangled in that web---.

That is what they have made us do for the last 20 years since Kargil---kept us on the backfoot---kept us busy giving explanations---.

What do you thin @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mangus Ortus Novem

Well that is what ISPR is for...5th generation warfare ...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

They do it to keep us busy making explanations and giving out justification---.

We get so busy doing that---that we get entangled in that web---.

That is what they have made us do for the last 20 years since Kargil---kept us on the backfoot---kept us busy giving explanations---.

What do you thin @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mangus Ortus Novem

It's now getting little overbearing...

One needs to move on...

You can't just drop your standards lower to cater for your opponents' howling and growling match points....

As for the PAF, it's like regaining the lost empire; as for the IAF, it's like the change of the masters...

Look at the trend line, not at the head lines - Bill Clinton, the last wise US President

The folks at the top aren't as secured as those at the bottom - Sheyh EbdAli to his son-in-law, Osman Gazi, the founder of the Ottoman Empire

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Hi,

They do it to keep us busy making explanations and giving out justification---.

We get so busy doing that---that we get entangled in that web---.

That is what they have made us do for the last 20 years since Kargil---kept us on the backfoot---kept us busy giving explanations---.

What do you thin @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mangus Ortus Novem

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My dear MK,

That woudl be too simplistic to frame this situation in this manner.

Today is the continum of past.

Kindly, see that in the absence of a natural, Pak political, socio-economic narrative a vacuum occured.

Indians need Pak for justification for their own internal and external agendas/goals. So, Indians can not be blamed. This is what Statecraft is all about.

Pak has zero Statecraft for a long time.... long with L.

Take example of this micro-war.

The entire Indian sales pitch for last 2.5 decades bit the dust and then suddenly a new geostrategic space opened up.

Did your politicos captured it and pursed it further?

Shouldn't your Info Minister be leading the charge with close coordination of the Establishment and Foreign Office?

What is the esteemed, honourable gent doing?

Please, do tell me anyone in your media, accedemia or political class even realise what has just happened?

So, yes, #DGISPR . in my considered oppinion, is doing a splendid job.

You know the difference between Push and Pull sales.

Now is the time for Pak to Pull... indian Push delivered jack.... Tea is phantaastic.

Over to you to retort.

Mangus