F-16 deal expires amid Pakistan-US row over finances

[Alpha Fighter]

You own logic turns against your own narrative ....what exactly you want to say ....tell me your pain ...I may relieve you from it ?

Well.... my pain is nothing, I said half you cursing US , because they didnt want to give their tax payer money for F-16. why u cursing US for not giving their money to u.

Free? Are you out of your mind? The services we have been providing to USA does not come free of cost. This is the same USA which has cost us more than $100B in economy and yet here you are saying "Free". Go and learn some facts kid before writing some thing here of PDF.

Service? lol, rooting out terrorist in your own countries' s land, you called it a service?

If territories/ lands you are unable to control it , then why do not give to US / UN to take control? Why 95% of terrorist connections originated from PAK?

previously you tried to take control of Afgan though Taliban and sending your own citizen / your army/ ex soldiers with Taliban.

 

[Sage]

Well.... my pain is nothing, I said half you cursing US , because they didnt want to give their tax payer money for F-16. why u cursing US for not giving their money to u.

Awwww crap ...Gotta go in the history now ...That's a congress approved development fund being the stakeholders with the US since 2002 ....there is no furore if we get anything else from US by anyone ...but if we get F-16s...it gives you that nasty chilli sensation down there ....! One more thing ...You need not worry ...let it be between us and the US ...!

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Awwww crap ...Gotta go in the history now ...That's a congress approved development fund being the stakeholders with the US since 2002 ....there is no furore if we get anything else from US by anyone ...but if we get F-16s...it gives you that nasty chilli sensation down there ....! One more thing ...You need not worry ...let it be between us and the US ...!

India always against rewards for PAK supporting terrorists. That time US didn't listen and now after 10 yrs , US understand that PAK wont change , so now its time for Stick approach.

Lol, decide first what you stance is, your people stance keeps on changing every day,

 

[Snakebite]

Service? lol, rooting out terrorist in your own countries' s land, you called it a service?

If territories/ lands you are unable to control it , then why do not give to US / UN to take control? Why 95% of terrorist connections originated from PAK?

previously you tried to take control of Afgan though Taliban and sending your own citizen / your army/ ex soldiers with Taliban.

Oh really. Tell me how many suicide bombings did we have prior 9/11? We were living in harmony until uncle SAM arrived in Afghanistan.

And Uncla Sam can't even control Afghanistan on it's own, yet here you are suggesting to give Pak in their control. PA has cleared most of the northern areas and have performed numerous operations which have successfully reduced terrorism in country in past couple of years. USA ask us to do more against Haqqani's yet they don't target them in Afg.

 

[volatile]

Yaar I am replying to the poster which claims JF-17 superior to F-16, which cant talk with ACWAS....

I am replying to you that JF17 can talk and use all the assets Erieye/Karakoram

 

[SQ8]

They can, I believe @Oscar worked on this project and is best placed to comment on it.
This is outdated news. @Oscar worked on the project to integrate all of PAF's assets.

I only did the initial material study and helped the team on the concept. Not sure what the status is today.

That being said, ACdre Tufail has been out of the loop for a while now.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Oh really. Tell me how many suicide bombings did we have prior 9/11? We were living in harmony until uncle SAM arrived in Afghanistan.

And Uncla Sam can't even control Afghanistan on it's own, yet here you are suggesting to give Pak in their control. PA has cleared most of the northern areas and have performed numerous operations which have successfully reduced terrorism in country in past couple of years. USA ask us to do more against Haqqani's yet they don't target them in Afg.

Before to that u only bomb India, but by mistake your Taliban / OBL taken on US.

if PA cleared most of area , then how it is consider as service? A country which cannot control its own lands , asking other country to Fund them to claims on their land? shameful.

US attack Haqqani in PAK , what he is doing inside PAK? , OBL in PAK? Taliban leaders in pak. everyone is in pak.

Removing terrorists and control its own land , you consider service to others?

Uncle sam can control if PAK stop poking its noise. That's why US taken Haqqains in PAK ( their operation base),

 

[Windows 10]

Typhoons are very good ....I am all in for that ...but I think PAF should go beyond that ...

What is the cost of EFT ? Is it in the same segment of Rafael ? Rafael is costing somewhere around 250 million a piece to India, if EFT is the same league then do you think Pakistan will be able to afford it ?

 

[Sage]

What is the cost of EFT ? Is it in the same segment of Rafael ? Rafael is costing somewhere around 250 million a piece to India, if EFT is the same league then do you think Pakistan will be able to afford it ?

We many afford it but not in huge number ...Pakistan should go beyond EFT like TFX or J-20 ......Rafael is hell expensive ...just like French perfumes and everything else ...!

 

[Basel]

They can, I believe @Oscar worked on this project and is best placed to comment on it.

Not really worth spending Billions on AWACS when your Prime Fighter is not linked with it.



No, but they can use Chinese A2A Missiles, Brazilian and South African.



Correct, also Brazilian and South African.



No doubt about that, its a mature machine and no country in the world comes close to producing the types of Armaments that the US can produce. But that being said, JF17 can use more variety of armaments. JF17 can fire CM-400 and Raad, F16 in PAF's fleet has no equivalent as the US has been unwilling to sell weapons equivalent to these.



Only Lima's. But PAF is more interested in using Chinese, Brazilian and South African Missiles on the JF17 rather than using Western.


This is outdated news. @Oscar worked on the project to integrate all of PAF's assets.

F-16 cannot directly communicate with KEs but if I m not wrong there is 3rd party solution for it.

I seriously doubt this comment about F16 lacking communication with other platforms. Link 17 is indigenous solution to a problem originated from communication (Chinese or Non Nato Assets with West/European assets). Erieye communicates Link16 which is standard for F16 and (Confidential How ?) this data is converted to Link17 platforms which is standard for F17 /F7 and others .

what I said is that F-16 cannot communicate with both types of AWACS while JFT can do that due to link-17, F-16 can communicate with erieyes directly and there were plans to indirectly connect them to KEs due to limitations of link-16.

I am talking about Radar based missile, Do JFT can fire A2A missiles of F-16s? It used Chinese missile. That's what I said , F-16 is superior in every aspect, from dropping bomb to have BVR radar based missiles.

Which Radar based BVR western missile is JFT has?


http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ips-squadron-with-new-aewc-aircraft/24140709/
Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF's aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.

To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.

West have not sold BVR missile for JFT when available those can be integrated with JFT, JFT is fully compatible with NATO systems. US don't allow integration of AMRAAM on JFT. Just let PL-15 & PL-21 become operational then JFT will be superior in BVR to PAF's F-16.

 

[notorious_eagle]

F-16 cannot directly communicate with KEs but if I m not wrong there is 3rd party solution for it.

Correct

 

[ziaulislam]

What is the cost of EFT ? Is it in the same segment of Rafael ? Rafael is costing somewhere around 250 million a piece to India, if EFT is the same league then do you think Pakistan will be able to afford it ?

not really, with training and equipment cost should be around 130-140 million.

India always against rewards for PAK supporting terrorists. That time US didn't listen and now after 10 yrs , US understand that PAK wont change , so now its time for Stick approach.

Lol, decide first what you stance is, your people stance keeps on changing every day,

where is the stick?

 

[Wolf]

nah I think it is costs 100%

if Pakistan was worried about spares and what not you would have gone with another bird long ago.

you should just go for Su-30MK2 or Su-35 which is cheaper to buy, but their spares costs a lot more than ours. just ask India how bad Russia has been fleecing them over their Su-30MKI

even if russian maintenance is on the higher side, but supply is open, what is use of ur F 16, if they stay at hangars when we need it the most. So americans cant be trusted. I along with many on this forum have not even an iota of worry that u did not release money to finance ur beloved F 16s and those who are worrying will know in the future that this was for their own good.

 

[mingle]

If you have so much money, why can't you buy Rafales with the price tag as attached by the French then ?


Typhoons are very good ....I am all in for that ...but I think PAF should go beyond that ...

I Beleive we will go for EF may not be very larg number but as suppliment for navy and AF it will Neutrilize indian Rafale once for all .Workhorse will be JF 17 blk 3 with F16 cum with EF .Then we can replace our F16 with 5th Generation jet what it will be .

not really, with training and equipment cost should be around 130-140 million.


where is the stick?

zia these F16 we were buying were not cheap either about 800 million for 8 jets not cheap either .we can add EF in small batches .

 

[Sage]

I Beleive we will go for EF may not be very larg number but as suppliment for navy and AF it will Neutrilize indian Rafale once for all .Workhorse will be JF 17 blk 3 with F16 cum with EF .Then we can replace our F16 with 5th Generation jet what it will be .

We are never gonna retire F-16 that soon while having Turkish refurbishing option ....!