F-16 deal expires amid Pakistan-US row over finances

[volatile]

JFT can communicate with Erieye & KE both due to its Pakistan made link-17, while PAF F-16s lack this. JFTs have similar NCW capability like Gripen have.

I seriously doubt this comment about F16 lacking communication with other platforms. Link 17 is indigenous solution to a problem originated from communication (Chinese or Non Nato Assets with West/European assets). Erieye communicates Link16 which is standard for F16 and (Confidential How ?) this data is converted to Link17 platforms which is standard for F17 /F7 and others .

 

[Mughal-Prince]

امریکہ کے پاس اس کے علاوہ کوئی راستہ بھی نہیں ہے۔ اگر امریکہ کو باقی رہنا ہے تو پھر پاکستان کے ساتھ بنا کر رکھنا پڑے گی۔

معذرت کے ساتھ ہم کو اب پاکستان کے راستے دیکھنے کی ضرورت ہے، باقیوں کے راستے سے نہ ہمیں کوئ واستہ نہ فرق۔ انہیں باقی رہنا ان کا مثلہ ہمارا نہیں یہ ڈیسپریشن ہے پیارے بھائ۔

 

[Sage]

well, if u have money u can buy be it potatoes or plane. but if u money of Meharan , don't even think of Merc. lol

India had the money, World's all plane maker came to India , including your F-16 latest model.

If you have so much money, why can't you buy Rafales with the price tag as attached by the French then ?

i think PAF drop the idea of more F16 .if we have to pay then better look other option EF is good choice .if we have finances and payment shedule .

Typhoons are very good ....I am all in for that ...but I think PAF should go beyond that ...

 

[Alpha Fighter]

If you have so much money, why can't you buy Rafales with the price tag as attached by the French then ?


Typhoons are very good ....I am all in for that ...but I think PAF should go beyond that ...

lol, we are buying with our own money, unlike you which asking US to fund most of the deal. Even your Chinese wont give anything for free. they only give you on loan.

It's not about funds.

It's about agreements.

The US agreed to fund this sale through FMF, which was the reason Pakistan went ahead with this purchase.
From Pakistani perspective it was and still is................... no FMF no purchase.

If the US doesn't hold on to it's end of the deal, then Pakistan doesn't have to either.

Its PAK which asked for F-16, and mostly though FMF funds . These fund are given by US for free. It PAF which needs the plane and not USAF.

 

[wasileo80]

I think USA and Pakistan will reopen the negotiations and try to make the deal work.

Most probably and may be it could be for all 18 Block 50/52 Jets.

I believe PAK will get F 16 fighter plane soon or later

The most funny part is that our PAK friends are abusing and criticising F16 fighters like it is old design..etc.etc from All corner.

But when they will get F 16 then will start appreciating US and PAK friendship and F 16 plane

And Will target India and his lobbies....

Yes you are right.
In fact they are mistakenly under estimate the capabilities of Block 50/52.
Also most of the PDF members thinks that High Command of PAF don't know anything what the members talked about over here. The decision makers of PAF knows more than of any one here and they also know the future plans of Air Force where as the Fans here can only predict but cannot say with 100% assurance.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Dear your info is old, JFT can now carry weapons which can hit targets beyond 300kms at sea and land, while F-16 of PAF don't have this standoff capability, JFT can launch PGM too but its current POD is not on par with latest F-16 pod which PAF operates, and Pakistan have develped its own link-17 which can communicate with both NATO and Chinese systems, JFT carry South African and Brazilian systems too, it is fully compatible with NATO systems.

I am talking about Radar based missile, Do JFT can fire A2A missiles of F-16s? It used Chinese missile. That's what I said , F-16 is superior in every aspect, from dropping bomb to have BVR radar based missiles.

Which Radar based BVR western missile is JFT has?


http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ips-squadron-with-new-aewc-aircraft/24140709/
Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF's aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.

To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.

 

[war&peace]

Has it expired or not yet as of May 29, 2016?...If it has then please no more F-16 threads...Enough has been discussed already and it won't anything to knowledge but be will be a trollophile subject. I'm coin this term to categorise the subjects.

 

[volatile]

Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF's aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.

To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.

Thats the national solution ,All assets are integrated and can communicate with each other called link 17

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Thats the national solution ,All assets are integrated and can communicate with each other called link 17

Yaar I am replying to the poster which claims JF-17 superior to F-16, which cant talk with ACWAS....

 

[nangyale]

Its PAK which asked for F-16, and mostly though FMF funds . These fund are given by US for free. It PAF which needs the plane and not USAF.

Look Pakistan asked for it or the US offered it. The point is the agreement was done through FMF...........that's what we agreed to.
Now when the US changes the goal posts.............. there is no point for Pakistan to continue. Either the US can come back to, what was agreed before or there will be no deal.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Look Pakistan asked for it or the US offered it. The point is the agreement was done through FMF...........that's what we agreed to.
Now when the US changes the goal posts.............. there is no point for Pakistan to continue. Either the US can come back to, what was agreed before or there will be no deal.

US said , Buy by your own Money now. if U have money buy it or else we don't not give our own tax payer money as simple as that.

you cant force someone to give you free. US agreed and US now is not ready to give its money for free. As simple as that.

 

[nangyale]

US said , Buy by your own Money now. if U have money buy it or else we don't not give our own tax payer money as simple as that.

you cant force someone to give you free. US agreed and US now is not ready to give its money for free. As simple as that.

And when did I say that Pakistan is forcing the US.

There was an agreement, it got broken by the US.
They came back with new proposals which are unacceptable to Pakistan. So the deal is off.

The bottom line is that the US gov is proving itself to be an un-trustworthy partner both to the Pakistani people and gov and to the world at large.

 

[notorious_eagle]

JFT is superior to PAF's F-16s in terms of variety of weapons carrying capability, PAF can add any weapon to it while this can not be done to PAF's F-16s.

JFT can communicate with Erieye & KE both due to its Pakistan made link-17, while PAF F-16s lack this. JFTs have similar NCW capability like Gripen have.

They can, I believe @Oscar worked on this project and is best placed to comment on it.

Not really worth spending Billions on AWACS when your Prime Fighter is not linked with it.

I am talking about Radar based missile, Do JFT can fire A2A missiles of F-16s?

No, but they can use Chinese A2A Missiles, Brazilian and South African.

It used Chinese missile.

Correct, also Brazilian and South African.

That's what I said , F-16 is superior in every aspect, from dropping bomb to have BVR radar based missiles.

No doubt about that, its a mature machine and no country in the world comes close to producing the types of Armaments that the US can produce. But that being said, JF17 can use more variety of armaments. JF17 can fire CM-400 and Raad, F16 in PAF's fleet has no equivalent as the US has been unwilling to sell weapons equivalent to these.

Which Radar based BVR western missile is JFT has?

Only Lima's. But PAF is more interested in using Chinese, Brazilian and South African Missiles on the JF17 rather than using Western.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2015/02/28/pakistan-re-equips-squadron-with-new-aewc-aircraft/24140709/

Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF's aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.

To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.

This is outdated news. @Oscar worked on the project to integrate all of PAF's assets.

 

[Sage]

lol, we are buying with our own money, unlike you which asking US to fund most of the deal. Even your Chinese wont give anything for free. they only give you on loan.

You own logic turns against your own narrative ....what exactly you want to say ....tell me your pain ...I may relieve you from it ?

 

[Snakebite]

lol, we are buying with our own money, unlike you which asking US to fund most of the deal. Even your Chinese wont give anything for free. they only give you on loan.



Its PAK which asked for F-16, and mostly though FMF funds . These fund are given by US for free. It PAF which needs the plane and not USAF.

Free? Are you out of your mind? The services we have been providing to USA does not come free of cost. This is the same USA which has cost us more than $100B in economy and yet here you are saying "Free". Go and learn some facts kid before writing some thing here of PDF.