F-16 deal expires amid Pakistan-US row over finances

[Beast]

If Pakistanis still has pride, they shall stop worshiping US military stuff and wake up from their reality. Stop buying any military from US.

 

[litman]

pak will release shakil afridi. we never had the spine to say no to america. remember raymond davis. the US govt will ensure NS remain in power and then he will serve his masters as he is already doing.

 

[Wolf]

Time is running out for Americans infact. This is not 1989. We have better options available. I think Shakil Afridi should be hanged on the expiry of timeline

 

[IceCold]

F-16s are as good as dead. Let it be. US should be made aware that Pakistan cannot be blackmailed with F-16s every time. Its important that Pakistan gets out of this hold of US for good. They have played the F-16 card for far too long.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Time is running out for Americans infact. This is not 1989. We have better options available. I think Shakil Afridi should be hanged on the expiry of timeline

So why this option is not used till now? who is going to give Free money? China ? don't expect.

 

[IceCold]

If Pakistanis still has pride, they shall stop worshiping US military stuff and wake up from their reality. Stop buying any military from US.

Pakistanis do but the F-16 mafia running PAF does not hence we keep bending backwards to get F-16s. I hope this time its different but i wouldnt hold my breath till the dead line actually expires.

 

[jetray]

F-16s are as good as dead. Let it be. US should be made aware that Pakistan cannot be blackmailed with F-16s every time. Its important that Pakistan gets out of this hold of US for good. They have played the F-16 card for far too long.

With mullah mansour being dead pakistan gets extra time , I believe that F16's will be delivered after some more drama. Pakistan-US relations would beat any soap opera hands down.

 

[Shabi1]

If not subsidized then will need to re negotiate a competitive price. These F-16s were overpriced as part of the payment will go to US black programs or compensation to manufacturer for other projects.

 

[LeGenD]

This the same America which made the exception of handing advanced nuclear technology on a silver platter to the Indians. They keep arming our foe with the most advanced weaponry. They keep strengthen the Indian economy with the sole purpose to weaken China and Pakistan. The list of American double standards goes on and on.

At the same time, they expect Pakistan to bow to every of their unreasonable demands. Well, these Yanks are truly living on a different planet. It is over though. The Americans know it. It has been over for quite some time. The fact that they are now resorting to open and blunt blackmail should be very telling. This isn't the usual behind closed doors stuff. This is very ugly in the open and in your face. Well, they can play their games. We will play ours if that is how we are going to do it.

Look man! Time to open our eyes.

US and India were never enemies to begin with. India is a huge market and also have border disputes with China. From the American perspective, it makes perfect sense to be on good terms with India and invest in it; great for business and China-containment initiatives. From the Indian perspective, support of the world's sole superpower is really appealing and encouraging. This is a match made in heaven for them.

However, US perceives Pakistan in a different way; an 'ally-worthy' state but unreliable in the long-term due to a number of reasons. Most notably, Pakistan being really close to China among them. Therefore, US understands that Pakistan will not encourage or be part of China-containment initiative. Additionally, Pakistan does not offers much to US from investment point-of-view either. Therefore, this relationship will remain troublesome.

So, if we really want those F-16s from the US, just pay for them and be done with it.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

They keep strengthen the Indian economy

Saudia Arabia and UAE do that far more than America. Both are actively involved in strengthening Indian economy. How come I don't see anybody complaining about that?

Just curious?

 

[ali_raza]

why not have some gherat and create an iron curtain.one day will come when world will come licking ur boots.goddamm see ur location just be a man before every time our policy makers lick American boots.world never give respect to chichoras like is.be a man talk like man.

arabs are taking us for granted heck even nashayi afghans have guts to talk against us.just see what wrong we did.chinese r here cos of there buisness interest only.dont think they will come rescue us.see iraq and syria still we r playing games..pathetic really

 

[Dr Gupta]

Usually defence firms can extend things the US did with India a few times and still fixed the price.

 

[Green Angel]

On that last day PAF should announce buying of J-10 Fighter jet.......that will kill Uncle Sam...

 

[wasileo80]

If Pakistanis still has pride, they shall stop worshiping US military stuff and wake up from their reality. Stop buying any military from US.

Its not the matter of pride dear. When the top brass made this decision to go for F-16s there were so many factors behind this decision.
1- Our economy at that time was not so strong so we can not buy a new jet and bear its induction cost, training, infrastructure, maintenance facilities and tactics development.
2- We had AMRAAMs (a long awaiting weapons for BVR combat )and other advance equipment (New Radars, Sniper Pods, More powerful engines, and other up-gradation in avionics) with those F-16s.
3- Its operationally very easy to induct F-16s in PAF' s current doctrine.
4- Ground Crew and Pilots are familiar with this platform for quite long time.
5- PAF's Engineers and Technicians are trained to maintain this jet.
6- It also gave PAF an opportunity to upgrade their old fleet on same standard like 50.

Yes for these 8 jets, we were going for them because USA subsidize this deal by almost 65% and for us its a very attractive offer.
But situation has change now, so may be the high command will try to get second hand jets from any other country at cheap price and then upgrade them just like they did with old 45 F-16s. ----OR----
May be they will go for atleast 2 squadrons for any other modern Jets..like SU-35 or J-10s (Seems not feasible)
-----OR------
May be they will pour these funds into JF-17 Block 3 up gradation program.

So why this option is not used till now? who is going to give Free money? China ? don't expect.

Is it you who makes policies for China to do business with whom?
Why you people every time spread this silly statement. If you dont know anything about Pak-China relationship then stop posting.

With mullah mansour being dead pakistan gets extra time , I believe that F16's will be delivered after some more drama. Pakistan-US relations would beat any soap opera hands down.

Quite Possible

 

[Beast]

We know your relationship, we have seen during KARGIL , how Chinese helped you. Their is nothing is called free lunch. Chinese aren't giving anything for free.

Trying to discord? When US sanction Pakistan and nobody offer nuclear help to Pakistan. Its Chinese that step in.

Its not the matter of pride dear. When the top brass made this decision to go for F-16s there were so many factors behind this decision.
1- Our economy at that time was not so strong so we can not buy a new jet and bear its induction cost, training, infrastructure, maintenance facilities and tactics development.
2- We had AMRAAMs (a long awaiting weapons for BVR combat )and other advance equipment (New Radars, Sniper Pods, More powerful engines, and other up-gradation in avionics) with those F-16s.
3- Its operationally very easy to induct F-16s in PAF' s current doctrine.
4- Ground Crew and Pilots are familiar with this platform for quite long time.
5- PAF's Engineers and Technicians are trained to maintain this jet.
6- It also gave PAF an opportunity to upgrade their old fleet on same standard like 50.

Yes for these 8 jets, we were going for them because USA subsidize this deal by almost 65% and for us its a very attractive offer.
But situation has change now, so may be the high command will try to get second hand jets from any other country at cheap price and then upgrade them just like they did with old 45 F-16s. ----OR----
May be they will go for atleast 2 squadrons for any other modern Jets..like SU-35 or J-10s (Seems not feasible)
-----OR------
May be they will pour these funds into JF-17 Block 3 up gradation program.


Is it you who makes policies for China to do business with whom?
Why you people every time spread this silly statement. If you dont know anything about Pak-China relationship then stop posting.


Quite Possible

F-16 is not the cheap fighter jet in last 20 years. It has monster into an expensive jet with string attached and yet offer no few generation ahead of JF-17 fighter. I dont know what is the obsessed with F-16 when other option are available.