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Neo said:
Its expected to be better than the block 52 with a mixture of Chinese and European systems.
We'll have to wait a few years till the export version is ready.

The J-10 is reported to be fitted with an indigenous KLJ-3 pulse-Doppler fire-control radar having maximum detecting range of 100~130km (attacking range 80~90km), and is capable of engaging two targets simultaneously. the same or modified radar will be used in thunder.
can we get an AESA radar for F-20 from europe? did any country offered us?
 
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No security plan linked to F-16 deal, says FO

ISLAMABAD, Aug 7: The Foreign Office on Monday dispelled the impression that the sale of F-16 jets to Pakistan recently cleared by the US Congress was linked to the government’s compliance to an ‘extraordinary’ security plan.

“We have not been conveyed any requirement for extraordinary security arrangements. We are not aware of that,” Foreign Office spokesperson Tasnim Aslam told a weekly news briefing when asked about preconditions set for the delivery of the F-16 aircraft.

However, when her attention was drawn to some intrusive security measures suggested by a US official, she said: “We have not started the negotiations on the details but I don’t think any government would allow that.”

The spokesperson declined to comment on the exchanges between the US administration and the Congress on the F-16 issue, saying: “That is not our business. Our business is the procurement of the F-16 aircraft.”

She said that following the Congress approval, the next step would be a letter of offer and a letter of acceptance. “We have not reached that stage,” she added.

She emphasised that defence sales agreements everywhere contained a standard clause which ensured there was no transfer of technology to a third country. “Of course when we sign agreements with other countries, whether we are selling or purchasing, we have this clause,” she said.

When the spokesperson’s attention was drawn to reports that the US government had complained to the Interior Ministry about Pakistan misusing military equipment given to it for counter-terrorism operations, she said: “No, we are not aware of any such objection by the US authority.” On whether there was any US pressure on Pakistan on building of the nuclear reactor, Ms Aslam said: “No. There is absolutely no pressure.”

MUSHARRAF VISIT: The FO spokesperson termed incorrect a report about President Gen Musharraf’s visit to the United States this month. “This is wrong. President is not visiting US in August,” she said.

TROOPS: Ms Aslam said that at the moment there was no proposal of sending Pakistani troops to Lebanon.—Q.A.

However, she said there were two key elements in Pakistan’s criteria for participating in the peacekeeping operations. One was a UN-sanctioned mandate and the other was acceptance of that mandate by the parties concerned. “In this case we would like to see a UN Security Council-sanctioned peacekeeping mission and acceptance by Lebanon, she said and added: “If these conditions are met then we would be ready to consider our participation.”

She was evasive when her comments were sought on US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s statement about redrawing the Middle East map. She said she had not seen the statement and instead talked about the US Greater Middle East Initiative that involved a number of countries, including Pakistan.

Answering a question, Ms Aslam said consultations on the US-France UN draft resolution on the Israel-Lebanon conflict were continuing. “We understand the Lebanese have expressed certain reservations, so did Qatar and now the effort would be to make it more balanced,” she said.

Regretting that considerable time had lapsed since the Israeli onslaught against Lebanon, she hoped the international community would step in urgently to stop the carnage of the Lebanese people and put an end to the Israeli aggression.

When asked to comment on the Muslim Ummah’s unity the spokesperson left it at: “Ummah, well if it’s Ummah!”
 
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When asked to comment on the Muslim Ummah’s unity the spokesperson left it at: “Ummah, well if it’s Ummah!”

Brothers As Salam o alaikum,
She has once again hit it right on the head. The fact of the matter is that we as Muslim Ummat have been an abject failure. Poverty, Social and racial inequality, misuse of our resources, putting the interest of the individual above the Ummah,lack of education, keeping regional and National values above Islam and greed and excess of every nature that one can think of, every thing that the Prophet (PBUH) and the Quran asked us not to do , we have done it.Is it any surprise that we are in this mess. I dont blame Israel for the Arab excesses, I blame the Arabs for their own misfortune. Israel is merely taking advantage iof the situation that we have place on a silver platter and handed over to them. Look even today, after 1000 innocent men, women and children have died in Lebanon, not a single Arab leader has openly condemned these attacks. We are weak, lack education and knowledge, dont have the will for "Jehad"( the strugle to achieve these aims) and have forgotten the Lessons of Quran and the Prophet(PBUH).Why then do we blame Israel or the USA?
WaSalam
Araz
 
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you are much too harsh on yourself, Araz. There is no genetic differences between Arab Palestinians and native Jews, so whatever the Jews can achieve, so can the Arabs. Just cut out the violent extremism in certain groups and in the media and you're on your way.
 
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araz said:
When asked to comment on the Muslim Ummah’s unity the spokesperson left it at: “Ummah, well if it’s Ummah!”

Brothers As Salam o alaikum,
Look even today, after 1000 innocent men, women and children have died in Lebanon, not a single Arab leader has openly condemned these attacks. We are weak, lack education and knowledge, dont have the will for "Jehad"( the strugle to achieve these aims) and have forgotten the Lessons of Quran and the Prophet(PBUH).Why then do we blame Israel or the USA?
WaSalam
Araz[/quote]

Fighting is not undertaken for victory alone, to fight for justice is noble in of itself.

Words are cheap, Saudi leaders have not openly condemned but they have pledged over a billion in help. Syria will resupply Hezbollah and probably have special forces within Lebanon battling the Israelis.

In all their little ways, they are trying to help. Openly condemning Israel is not possible (when it means condemning the U.S.)
 
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but india will never dare to wage a war with pakistan over these years since china-pakistan relationship are getting warmer every day..... china will help pakistan like we did in NK, except indian forces are much weaker than the UN forces during the korean war..... lol
 
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Owais said:
18 are nothing as compared to IAF 126 MRCAs.
PAF will have 78 block 52 F16s (new + MLU) and IAF will get 140 MKI and 126 MRCA. again hi-tech ratio will be 1:4. back to square 1:frown:


From a guy who has 2000+ posts thats a very childish statment too be honest:disappointed: .

india will get all its MKI fleet to 10 by 2015 or onwards that gives PAF a lot of times for a fact all the F-16's will be delieved new and all the F-16's old would be upgraded by 2010 thats for sure....

Keep in mind that JF-17 production rate has set to be 25 to 30 thunders a year when the production is at full swing that too would be achieved by 2010 by PAC karma i assure u that PAF will have all its F-16's,JF-17's and J-10's before 2015 thats for sure so what makes u worry so much while u discuss the MRCA deal which even hasnt been sign india still would take a year or 2 atleast before it sign's a deal then comes a lot of stuff in between that like making an infrasture for the jets ETC which would be new to IAF while PAF is working on the machines it is buying and is in the process of setting things up so relax..

Now there is this big rumor buzzing every where that besides the F-16,JF-17 and J-10, PAF is highly interested in procuring another Europian jet ranging from some where between 30 to 45 making 2 squadrens atleast so al hopes are high....:thumbsup:
 
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Masterfx,

I am afraid you underestimate Chinese diplomacy.

They will only extend "moral support" as they have done in all conflicts. They have never intervened in any of the Indo Pak conflicts except to advise all to settle issues "peacefully".

Ever since the Islamic rising in Xingjian, even the rhetoric on Kashmir has become muted!

It is China's aim to be a "responsible" and "matured"superpower. It has to maintain this image, at least in Asia, lest the peripheral states get cold feet and hug the US Bald Eagle - a situation that would put her plans in dire straits.

China cannot afford to have a ring around her with hostile countries and some of which, for their own safety, give access to US global outposts.

Therefore, one should perish that thought.
 
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Salim, exactly correct.

China is neutered. It developed 30 years too late and allowed US a foot in the door, and India is coming up at the same time. Asia is not the American continent. If it tries to behave even remotely selfishly, it will be barricaded and opposed.

Tough luck.
 
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master_fx said:
but india will never dare to wage a war with pakistan over these years since china-pakistan relationship are getting warmer every day..... china will help pakistan like we did in NK, except indian forces are much weaker than the UN forces during the korean war..... lol

Where was this warmth during kargil war?
 
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extremely doubtful the J-10 will be better than F-16, sorry. APG-68v9 is not to be sniffed at.

the day J-10 shows outward signs of improvement I would begin to believe some of the hype. That may be anywhere from 5 to 10 years. China I believe is trying to skip PESA and go right to AESA.
 
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Best of the Best said:
From a guy who has 2000+ posts thats a very childish statment too be honest:disappointed: .

Leave out personal remarks

Best of the Best said:
india will get all its MKI fleet to 10 by 2015 or onwards that gives PAF a lot of times for a fact all the F-16's will be delieved new and all the F-16's old would be upgraded by 2010 thats for sure....

The F-16s 56+32 in inventory will not be enough to match the current IAF of 2006.The gap still remains.

Best of the Best said:
Keep in mind that JF-17 production rate has set to be 25 to 30 thunders a year when the production is at full swing that too would be achieved by 2010 by PAC karma i assure u that PAF will have all its F-16's,JF-17's and J-10's before 2015 thats for sure so what makes u worry so much while u discuss the MRCA deal which even hasnt been sign india still would take a year or 2 atleast before it sign's a deal then comes a lot of stuff in between that like making an infrasture for the jets ETC which would be new to IAF while PAF is working on the machines it is buying and is in the process of setting things up so relax..

You cannot give assurances here,as things arent in your hand.If u say something then show us on what you are basing such an argument.
JF17s will be produced at the rate of 25-30 a years but from which yr onwards?If they start in 2007 mid by 2013 they will have 150-200 JF 17s.And by then IAF would also have 140 MKIs.

Are you speaking abt infra...IAF has one of the most diverse fleets in the world.Probable they are the only ones who are operating british,french and russian planes in the same fleet.I dont think it will get more complicated.Moreover if they choose Mg29OVT,then this argument goes out of the window.

Best of the Best said:
Now there is this big rumor buzzing every where that besides the F-16,JF-17 and J-10, PAF is highly interested in procuring another Europian jet ranging from some where between 30 to 45 making 2 squadrens atleast so al hopes are high....:thumbsup:

More???
Now doesnt the "infrastruture and getting used to argument" apply to PAF ?
 
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PAF Chief: We won’t wail like Lebanon[FONT=Verdana,Arial][SIZE=-2]8/8/2006 10:27:23 PM[/SIZE][/FONT]- By Our Correspondent

Islamabad, Aug. 8: Pakistan Air Force Chief Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed on Tuesday said that the country’s armed forces were strong and always ready to defend the homeland, saying weakness turns into inability.
"Pakistan has all the capacity to defend the country and Pakistan’s Prime Minister will not have to wail helplessly in any gathering like the Lebanese PM," he told reporters in Lahore following a meeting with Punjab governor Lt. Gen. Khalid Maqbool (Retd).
The PAF Chief said that he was grieved about the attacks on Lebanon. "Weakness turns out into inability, but Pakistan is not weak," he said.
Questioned on acquiring F-16s from the US, the air chief said that the US Congress has given final approval to the delivery of 44 F-16s to Pakistan.
He said that the jets include 18 new and 26 aircraft made for Pakistan in 1990. "The jets are being delivered now, equipped with high-tech long-range weapons almost free of cost." Air Chief Marshal Ahmed said: "We were also upgrading our existing 34 old F-16s."
 
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I think nobody was comparing lebonon to Pakistan..any sane guy wont....So why is the PAF chief suddenly coming out with such comments.Is he due for a pay hike???
 
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He's not coming up with such talk on his own. He said all that in reply to questions that came up during a press brief after he had discussions with the Punjab governor. He assuerd that PAF would be a force to reckon with within the next seven years.
 
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