[EXPOSED]: Hindu Groups Fuel Hatred of Muslims and Pakistan in United Kingdom

[Chak Bamu]

You know nothing about this.

That's not true, Areesh. Bear with me and read my responses below.

I have MANY Hindu friends, some of them members of PDF, and I can safely tell you that hatred for Muslims is not something anybody who is a friend of mine can believe in, and remain a friend of mine. It is also nothing that I can believe in and remain their friend.

About Pakistan.

You have been reading my posts for 12 years now. Can you look me in the eye and say that I hate Pakistan? Oppose your government's policies, yes, oppose your military on many matters relating to the armed conflicts between us, but without being discourteous or impolite, or mocking any soldier's or civilian's death, yes. But hating Pakistan?

Let me explain.

Most people united behind one of perhaps half a dozen gods or goddesses. A Vaishnav prays to Vishnu, but he or she does not, except for some nuts, hate others; a Saivite pray to Siva; a Shakta, like me, prays to the goddess (I don't, but I belong to that following). There are a few more, like those who pray to Ganesh (mainly those from the west) and to Kartik (from the south, where they call him Murugan). They are united in prayer, but for their own sectarian god.

I am glad you mentioned that Hindus are not united; that makes it clear that they do not unite in hating anybody either.

Peace, and stop pretending that you hate us all. I don't feel that way about you, not at all.

Thank you sir for being who you are. Much respect.

People today forget that even though opinions differed greatly, our elders were able to form & keep life-long bonds due to tolerance & inherent humanism. Though black & white is easy, it is almost never the complete truth. Life is lived in shades of grey.

Let us take Allama Iqbal, for example: he had many friends among Sikhs & Hindus. Did he ever teach intolerance & bigotry? No, he wanted Muslims to look to their cultural, intellectual inheritance & feel pride instead of dejection at their low fortunes. Idea of a separate country was not to make something that is like today's Pakistan. People worked very hard to make India & Pakistan permanent enemies - it was not meant to be this way. QeA M. Ali Jinnah & Allama M. Iqbal did not imagine this state of affairs.

Though it looks increasingly unlikely, we must strive to push our respective countries to have normal relations based on respect & tolerance.

I dream of visa-less travel for citizens of both the countries. It may not happen in my lifetime. But I wish for it nevertheless.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Again you are rubbing it in, like you did after describing Mian sahab's meal that day. Cholestrol charha hua hai. Biwi is allowing me only 2 oatmeal biscuits with slimmed milk tea. Meh.

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[Paitoo]

You have yourself defined it. I meant the same. By "elite", I imply people of societal influence. The source of influence can be wealth, intellect, education, position (political, official, private), religious/spiritual stature etc. etc. etc. I differentiate "elite" from the commoner, because I believe that, at least, in our part of the world, commoners are generally either indifferent or mere followers of the elite class, owing to certain degree of psychological subjugation.



That is why, I have differentiated between "disliking" and "hatred", in my post. My idea, based upon my own experience, is that education, again, at least, in our part of the world, generally fails to overcome very fundamental prejudices, particularly those ingrained during childhood indoctrination. That applies to even those people, who become atheists, skeptics, agnostics, and likes. I have noticed that even a Muslim agnostic remains somewhat different than a Hindu agnostic.

Further, I feel that psychological conflict between Hindus and Muslims is not of religious nature per se; it is social/cultural, which arises out of grossly different reading of the post-Muslim history of the Subcontinent.

In any case, Hinduism itself is a whole buffet of creeds, including agnosticism, atheism, pantheism, and what not. So, a Hindu agnostic or atheist can still retain the psychological baggage of the medieval history.

Exceptions, of course, are there; but we are bound to make our ideas, based upon predominant collective attitudes and leanings.

All excellent points, but 2 in particular that stand out, about cultural differences also being a factor in friction, and about agnostics from different religions being different.

I am an agnostic but the country where I live has a huge impact on how I feel the world around me. India is largely dharmic land so the myriad experiences of temples and rituals, the sound of bells, fragrance of sandalwood etc are deeply connected to me. Even if I want to, I cannot sever that connection. I feel similar when I travel to a place like Goa and immerse myself in the catholic culture there. Yes, agnostics could have umbilical ties to their religious culture and may respond to those calls from time to time.

Regarding the commoners looking for guidance from the elite, my experience tells me that commoners either tend to be very high on native intelligence and therefore have a propensity to cut the bullshit being thrown at them, or like you say they can get easily influenced.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thank you sir for being who you are. Much respect.

People today forget that even though opinions differed greatly, our elders were able to form & keep life-long bonds due to tolerance & inherent humanism. Though black & white is easy, it is almost never the complete truth. Life is lived in shades of grey.

Let us take Allama Iqbal, for example: he had many friends among Sikhs & Hindus. Did he ever teach intolerance & bigotry? No, he wanted Muslims to look to their cultural, intellectual inheritance & feel pride instead of dejection at their low fortunes. Idea of a separate country was not to make something that is like today's Pakistan. People worked very hard to make India & Pakistan permanent enemies - it was not meant to be this way. QeA M. Ali Jinnah & Allama M. Iqbal did not imagine this state of affairs.

Though it looks increasingly unlikely, we must strive to push our respective countries to have normal relations based on respect & tolerance.

I dream of visa-less travel for citizens of both the countries. It may not happen in my lifetime. But I wish for it nevertheless.

Very well said.

I wish we could start - on the Indian side, unilaterally - by offering visas in 24 hours to all Pakistanis below 21 years of age. Once they come and see things, the good and the bad, on this side of the border, much tension and pent-up ill-feeling will be relieved.

We should also offer these immediate visas for those seeking medical treatment, and for those millions with relatives living in India.

I hope at some time, the enlargement will come around to us. I am unlikely to make it, but I hope others will. Visa-less travel as between India and Nepal would be the ideal.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Hindutva in the UK are going to make the lives of Pakistani-British hell... Just like they are doing for the Muslims in India.

Be warned.

..............indians in the UK are small, meek and weak, they will NOT DARE mess with Pakistanis as we will pulverised them and they know it......... ...........no one really cares what indians say or think.........they are little beta males and ugly females..........

 

[Joe Shearer]

Excellent analysis as usual. I will respond a little later as my brain cells need recharging and I am slacking at work. Need some chai and biskoot.

You are scaring me.

Only one race says,"Biskoot".

 

[Paitoo]

WELCOME TO THE ATORVASTATIN CLUB

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I am assuming that is a medicine for cholesterol ?

Only one race says,"Biskoot".

Please tell me which race is this?

 

[SIPRA]

WELCOME TO THE ATORVASTATIN CLUB

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I normally take 10 mg per day. But the day, I have to go for mutton qorma or pulao, I take 20 mg.

"Goli andhar
Tay, Cholesterol Jalandhar"

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Very well said.

I wish we could start - on the Indian side, unilaterally - by offering visas in 24 hours to all Pakistanis below 21 years of age. Once they come and see things, the good and the bad, on this side of the border, much tension and pent-up ill-feeling will be relieved.

We should also offer these immediate visas for those seeking medical treatment, and for those millions with relatives living in India.

I hope at some time, the enlargement will come around to us. I am unlikely to make it, but I hope others will. Visa-less travel as between India and Nepal would be the ideal.

.........there are NO millions in Pakistan who have relatives in india...........

 

[PradoTLC]

Hindutva in the UK are going to make the lives of Pakistani-British hell... Just like they are doing for the Muslims in India.

Be warned.

they were always like that..

 

[SIPRA]

Please tell me which race is this?

In Punjab, people say "biskut", but not "biskoot", with long vowel.

 

[Paitoo]

In Punjab, people say "biskut", but not "biskoot", with long vowel.

Aah. I didn't imply the long vowel. I meant biskut only. There is something about 'biskoot' that looks cool so I used it. Maybe I was trying to be British, like the Poonjab and Poona. Which is quite weird because biscuit is already in English

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Hindutva in the UK are going to make the lives of Pakistani-British hell... Just like they are doing for the Muslims in India.

Be warned.

........the UK is not a mumbai/gujarat shi*thole. In the UK, indians are seen as weak, docile, effeminate beta makes. No one takes seriously what they say. They have no gravitas with the wider non-indian races. Non-indians don't resonate with indians...........

 

[peagle]

This has been going on for a while, you can see it in play, but UK will not allow this to get out of hand.

Hindu extremists are following the Nazi agenda, the Nazi's had groups in other countries and they are doing the same thing. But we live in a different world. The Gora [westerner] will make sure such hate stays out of their countries, especially the anglosphere nations.

The western countries have an effective tool to deal with everything, call it terrorism or extremism, and their various laws come into play.

This is obviously not good, because it effects community relations. But the crap that has been spread inside India has no chance of spreading in the rest of the world, except amongst the Indians themselves. Which I have already witnessed first hand, Hindutva agenda is very much alive amongst overseas Indians, and effecting their internal community relations.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Look the hate Afghani pashtuns have for Pakistan, its similar to Indian sanghis. I believe both have fake history to thank for that. Like Afghani pashtuns believe Peshawar was their winter capital or what ever. When the fact is Afghani pashtuns are invader to must of Afghanistan and northen KP since last 500-1000 years. Settlers that now make up their own fairy tales by writing puta khazana like books for children. So they teach fake history since childhood and you see the effect of that since 1947.

Indian sanghis too believe Pakistan should have been part of Akhand Bharat.