[EXPOSED]: Hindu Groups Fuel Hatred of Muslims and Pakistan in United Kingdom

[Areesh]

I agree, you are right, BUT that is true of the BJP and of the Sangh Parivar, NOT of Hindus. If you were to substitute Sangh Parivar for Hindu above, you would be precisely right.

You are also right in predicting that the BJP will get votes doing this kind of thing.

You are wrong when you think this helps the BJP to WIN elections. The BJP also loses elections. Oppressing Muslims is NOT an automatic key to electoral success. Want to count?

NOT BJP - 15 out of 26

1. Kerala
2. Tamil Nadu
3. Andhra Pradesh
4. Telangana
5. Maharashtra
6. Rajasthan
7. Punjab
8. West Bengal
9. Odisha
10. Jharkhand
11. Chhatisgarh
12. Sikkim
13. Meghalaya
14. Nagaland
15. Mizoram

Cancer doesn't spread fast and immediately. It spreads slowly unless some treatment is done to stop its spread. Same is with Hindutva ideology. It is spreading. Slowly it is making its way in every state that has a good hindu majority

Among the 15 states that you mentioned 3 are Christian majority so obviously BJP isn't much successful in them. Sikkim again has nearly 40% non hindu majority. Punjab is Sikh majority hence BJP is relatively weak in that state. Maharashtra is under rule of Shiv Sena which is as bad as BJP. Only difference is that because of political interests they are not aligned with BJP. Rest of states would fall in line and either BJP or someone of its ally would win them. The first to fall would be West Bengal in my opinion. It survived in previous elections. Might not survive next time

As I said. Cancer is spreading. It won't stop on its own

such hate is unsustainable. reason among decent hindu majority will eventually win.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Good to hear that but only time will tell in which they would fall. It is only in an actual pogrom that we know who falls in which category

True. I have faith. I am also afraid, because things are very bad nowadays, and there is no point in hiding that.

We will see about that later

This is an open offer and continuously open.

Terms and conditions apply; no confidences, no information given may be betrayed.

It is tit for tat. In fact Pakistan hasn't fully returned the favor for all the crimes Indian state has committed against Pakistan and its people. Your current rulers very proudly boost and chest thump about their meddling in Pakistan. SSo it isn't a one sided affair in any manner

I have very serious exceptions to the present policy.

I would have considered that to be true if Pakistan wouldn't have become a major topic in every national and state election

This does occur, whenever the BJP is fighting an election. But you will notice that it has no impact on the electorate, as otherwise the BJP would win every election.

None of the other parties have this unhealthy obsession; by unhealthy, I mean denigrating a neighbouring country to whip up hysteria and get support.

May be cause of the lies and propaganda fed by Indian state

Maybe.

I leave it to your conscience to decide if an incident like Mumbai 2008 will not strike fear into the common man's heart.

This view is not shared by those who matter the most and are actual rulers of India. The RSS, the BJP, the section of Indian military that is completely aligned with RSS

Matter the most - today.
Actual rulers of India - today.
The section of the Indian military that is completely aligned with RSS - as of now.

Should you not be wishing us well to overthrow this regime?

I am not saying that you fall in the list of categories that I mentioned above. There can be exceptions. But exceptions don't shape societies or governments. It is the majority that matters and majority falls in any one of the category that I mentioned above

Yes, you are right, but we can, each of us, do only what our strength and our circumstances permit. Can you expect more?

some muslims also hate fellow Muslims and justify violence against them.

the Hinduvita fever is political and fueled by BJP self interests.

such hate is unsustainable. reason among decent hindu majority will eventually win.

Aapke muh mein ghee shakkar.

 

[pakpride00090]

Cancer doesn't spread fast and immediately. It spreads slowly unless some treatment is done to stop its spread. Same is with Hindutva ideology. It is spreading. Slowly it is making its way in every state that has a good hindu majority

Among the 15 states that you mentioned 3 are Christian majority so obviously BJP isn't much successful in them. Sikkim again has nearly 40% non hindu majority. Punjab is Sikh majority hence BJP is relatively weak in that state. Maharashtra is under rule of Shiv Sena which is as bad as BJP. Only difference is that because of political interests they are not aligned with BJP. Rest of states would fall in line and either BJP or someone of its ally would win them. The first to fall would be West Bengal in my opinion. It survived in previous elections. Might not survive next time

As I said. Cancer is spreading. It won't stop on its own

Man , people keep fooling themselves by posting feel good statements or just acting ignorant.

All parties (Left or right wing) hate and despite muslims. BJP and its types are louder but they have silent approval of chalak hindus who are here trying to play to the gallery.

I wouldn't be surprised if genocide happens and they keep playing down. Amazing to see some senior Pakistani moderators also falling for the propaganda.

For the muslims of India... RIP. You have to either fight or die. You will be killed eventually anyway , might as well take few hindus with you. Your mums , sisters and wives will be raped and killed. It is better you(indian muslims) realize the inevitable and plan accordingly. Fight to the end and commit suicide later on. Or just accept being slaves to hindus or convert to hinduism to save your skin or leave India while you still have time.

Also don't hope much from Pakistan. Pakistanis ( particularly industanis ) are more interested in shouting " jinnah was right " rather than helping muslims in India by practical means.
No muslim state will come for your rescue and the world will watch , just as they have watched genocides that have happened in the past.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Cancer doesn't spread fast and immediately. It spreads slowly unless some treatment is done to stop its spread. Same is with Hindutva ideology. It is spreading. Slowly it is making its way in every state that has a good hindu majority

Among the 15 states that you mentioned 3 are Christian majority so obviously BJP isn't much successful in them. Sikkim again has nearly 40% non hindu majority. Punjab is Sikh majority hence BJP is relatively weak in that state. Maharashtra is under rule of Shiv Sena which is as bad as BJP. Only difference is that because of political interests they are not aligned with BJP. Rest of states would fall in line and either BJP or someone of its ally would win them. The first to fall would be West Bengal in my opinion. It survived in previous elections. Might not survive next time

As I said. Cancer is spreading. It won't stop on its own

So what does a cancer afflicted patient's near and dear ones do? Sit and assign the blame for the disease to fate, and reconcile themselves to the death of the patient?

Some might be of the opinion that a vigorous fight using chemotherapy, radiotherapy and surgery is demanded.

What do you advice? Surrender or fight?

 

[SIPRA]

I don't think they dislike Islam or Muslims. I don't see that hatred manifesting itself when it comes to Afghan Muslims, Iranian Muslims, Arab Muslims - consider how lovey dovey Modi is with Emirati ruling family.

No, it's far more nuanced than that. This is not Islam versus Hindu thing much as our blinkered population thinks and the facts above demolish any such thoughts.

Their hatred is far more specfic and stems from the political rivalry dating to British Raj times. The Hindu elite expected that the empire British had constructed in South Asia ruled by the Angrez Viceroy would naturally fall into their lap.

Thanks to religion and people like Jinnah that dream escaped them. Thus the historical hatred which today is scoped at Pakistan and the community inside India they wrongly blame for their dream not reaching fruition.

In UK I have noticed that Islamaphobia is general problem that has taken off since 9/11. Many British resent and don't like Muslims - but notice I said Muslims. This extends to Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Algerians etc.

However the Indian lobby in UK tries to harvest this hate and funnels it toward Pakistani's. Meaning their hate is Pakistan specific. Indeed on online discussions I quickly cop on if the hate is coming from Indian - because they will try to take the discussion toward Pakistani's.

Fully agree.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Fully agree.

They are sore with Turks though - bizzarely the most secular, latent Muslims you can find. The reason is Turkey is seen to always tilt toward Pakistan.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Well. When I am speaking Urdu, I call it biscuit, as in English; but when I am talking in Punjabi with someone, which I mostly do, I use word "biskut". Similarly, for cigarette, I would say "sirgutt".

You must be a Jutt

 

[TheSolution]

Look the hate Afghani pashtuns have for Pakistan, its similar to Indian sanghis. I believe both have fake history to thank for that. Like Afghani pashtuns believe Peshawar was their winter capital or what ever. When the fact is Afghani pashtuns are invader to must of Afghanistan and northen KP since last 500-1000 years. Settlers that now make up their own fairy tales by writing puta khazana like books for children. So they teach fake history since childhood and you see the effect of that since 1947.

Indian sanghis too believe Pakistan should have been part of Akhand Bharat.

Afghans support India, even in Kashmir

Any Pakistani Pashtun who is patriotic is not considered Pashtun to them and is ridiculed with various names

I don't think they dislike Islam or Muslims. I don't see that hatred manifesting itself when it comes to Afghan Muslims, Iranian Muslims, Arab Muslims - consider how lovey dovey Modi is with Emirati ruling family.

No, it's far more nuanced than that. This is not Islam versus Hindu thing much as our blinkered population thinks and the facts above demolish any such thoughts.

Their hatred is far more specfic and stems from the political rivalry dating to British Raj times. The Hindu elite expected that the empire British had constructed in South Asia ruled by the Angrez Viceroy would naturally fall into their lap.

Thanks to religion and people like Jinnah that dream escaped them. Thus the historical hatred which today is scoped at Pakistan and the community inside India they wrongly blame for their dream not reaching fruition.

In UK I have noticed that Islamaphobia is general problem that has taken off since 9/11. Many British resent and don't like Muslims - but notice I said Muslims. This extends to Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Algerians etc.

However the Indian lobby in UK tries to harvest this hate and funnels it toward Pakistani's. Meaning their hate is Pakistan specific. Indeed on online discussions I quickly cop on if the hate is coming from Indian - because they will try to take the discussion toward Pakistani's.

My experience is different, they dislike Muslims but their main priority is Pakistan due to the political rivalry so it is amplified. The others are disliked too but the Indians don't care enough to be extremely vocal about it or get into unnecessary arguments, because it's irrelevant to them.

 

[pakpride00090]

some muslims also hate fellow Muslims and justify violence against them.

the Hinduvita fever is political and fueled by BJP self interests.

such hate is unsustainable. reason among decent hindu majority will eventually win.

I was just going to reply with a lol but seeing that you are a senior member I refrained from doing that.

You should read a little bit about Gujrat riots. Go in some detail. You will see how nice those hindus were. Ehsan Jafri , a former MP was also brutally murdered. You should listen to his phone calls to different state apparatus and their response to it.

Mastermind of Gujarat massacre is now India's PM. But why would you care. You are safe in Pakistan. Even if you want to fool yourself into believing that genocide will not happen and decent majority will win... you will not suffer the consequences if your prediction became wrong. Neither you will be killed by hindus nor your women will be raped and then murdered.

You are safe from being wrong. Wish Indian muslims had that luxury. But then again you probably are industani so after few prayers , you will carry on with your life as if nothing happened , just like most Pakistanis.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Man , people keep fooling themselves by posting feel good statements or just acting ignorant.

All parties (Left or right wing) hate and despite muslims. BJP and its types are louder but they have silent approval of chalak hindus who are here trying to play to the gallery.

I wouldn't be surprised if genocide happens and they keep playing down. Amazing to see some senior Pakistani moderators also falling for the propaganda.

For the muslims of India... RIP. You have to either fight or die. You will be killed eventually anyway , might as well take few hindus with you. Your mums , sisters and wives will be raped and killed. It is better you(indian muslims) realize the inevitable and plan accordingly. Fight to the end and commit suicide later on. Or just accept being slaves to hindus or convert to hinduism to save your skin or leave India while you still have time.

Also don't hope much from Pakistan. Pakistanis ( particularly industanis ) are more interested in shouting " jinnah was right " rather than helping muslims in India by practical means.
No muslim state will come for your rescue and the world will watch , just as they have watched genocides that have happened in the past.

indian Muslims are NOT the problem of Pakistan or Pakistanis.

 

[pakpride00090]

indian Muslims are NOT the problem of Pakistan or Pakistanis.

Read post number 63.

 

[SIPRA]

You must be a Jutt

Yes. I am, though I don't give it any significance. "Sipra" is a sub-clan of Jat.

 

[Areesh]

So what does a cancer afflicted patient's near and dear ones do? Sit and assign the blame for the disease to fate, and reconcile themselves to the death of the patient?

Some might be of the opinion that a vigorous fight using chemotherapy, radiotherapy and surgery is demanded.

What do you advice? Surrender or fight?

It is your fight. It is India's fight. Either you fight it or rest of the region would fight it since it won't be limited to your borders only. Sooner or later it would have impact on Pakistan too. I as a Pakistani know that

Genie is out of the bottle. It won't go back itself

 

[xeuss]

I don't think they dislike Islam or Muslims. I don't see that hatred manifesting itself when it comes to Afghan Muslims, Iranian Muslims, Arab Muslims - consider how lovey dovey Modi is with Emirati ruling family.

No, it's far more nuanced than that. This is not Islam versus Hindu thing much as our blinkered population thinks and the facts above demolish any such thoughts.

Their hatred is far more specfic and stems from the political rivalry dating to British Raj times. The Hindu elite expected that the empire British had constructed in South Asia ruled by the Angrez Viceroy would naturally fall into their lap.

Thanks to religion and people like Jinnah that dream escaped them. Thus the historical hatred which today is scoped at Pakistan and the community inside India they wrongly blame for their dream not reaching fruition.

In UK I have noticed that Islamaphobia is general problem that has taken off since 9/11. Many British resent and don't like Muslims - but notice I said Muslims. This extends to Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Algerians etc.

However the Indian lobby in UK tries to harvest this hate and funnels it toward Pakistani's. Meaning their hate is Pakistan specific. Indeed on online discussions I quickly cop on if the hate is coming from Indian - because they will try to take the discussion toward Pakistani's.

Unfortunately you are quite incorrect here. Your words above are quite similar to the example cited where a white guy says he is not racist because he has a black friend.

The examples you cite to justify your thoughts are those of Muslim countries (and perhaps rulers) that are of benefit in the establishment of Hindu hegemony in India. Furthermore, there is difference in attitude when these people deal with "their" Muslims (i.e Indian Muslims) and other Muslims (i.e. Independent Muslim nations), since they know the latter cannot be lorded over as the former.

Stop deluding yourself into believing these fascists are reasonable people and that their cozying up to some rich Sheikh somehow absolves them of the Lynchistan that they created.

 

[Faqirze]

The examples you cite to justify your thoughts are those of Muslim countries (and perhaps rulers) that are of benefit in the establishment of Brahmin hegemony in India.

That's a better way of putting it.