[EXPOSED]: Hindu Groups Fuel Hatred of Muslims and Pakistan in United Kingdom

[Joe Shearer]

It is your fight. It is India's fight. Either you fight it or rest of the region would fight it since it won't be limited to your borders only. Sooner or later it would have impact on Pakistan too. I as a Pakistani know that

My friends and I know that painfully well.

Genie is out of the bottle. It won't go back itself

Unfortunately you are quite incorrect here. Your words above are quite similar to the example cited where a white guy says he is not racist because he has a black friend.

Perhaps, but he is right in pointing out that not every Hindu is Islamophobic.

The examples you cite to justify your thoughts are those of Muslim countries (and perhaps rulers) that are of benefit in the establishment of Hindu hegemony in India.

Not at all clear. Please explain.

Furthermore, there is difference in attitude when these people deal with "their" Muslims (i.e Indian Muslims) and other Muslims (i.e. Independent Muslim nations), since they know the latter cannot be lorded over as the former.

This is specifically relevant only to the fascists who seek to dominate Muslims. It does not apply to others.

Stop deluding yourself into believing these fascists are reasonable people and that their cozying up to some rich Sheikh somehow absolves them of the Lynchistan that they created.

True, but you are yourself guilty of conflating the approach of these fascists with that of all other Hindus.

That is grossly unfair, and you know it.

 

[pakpride00090]

Unfortunately you are quite incorrect here. Your words above are quite similar to the example cited where a white guy says he is not racist because he has a black friend.

The examples you cite to justify your thoughts are those of Muslim countries (and perhaps rulers) that are of benefit in the establishment of Hindu hegemony in India. Furthermore, there is difference in attitude when these people deal with "their" Muslims (i.e Indian Muslims) and other Muslims (i.e. Independent Muslim nations), since they know the latter cannot be lorded over as the former.

Stop deluding yourself into believing these fascists are reasonable people and that their cozying up to some rich Sheikh somehow absolves them of the Lynchistan that they created.

Just a heads up.

Indus Pakistan hates Muhajir/hindustani/urdu speaking musalmans living in Pakistan who have their origins in India. He has been banned several times when it become abundantly clear that he is a bigot.

His writings and sentiment reflect his disdain for Indian muslims in general. This sentiment is not just limited to him but also other industanis.

@xeuss , I consider you more closer to me than other Pakistanis because we have same culture/language and ethnic origin. As I have said before , the best you will get is Prayers from Industanis for a few days , nothing more.

You are on your on buddy. I wish we(urdu speaking) people were powerful enough to do something because I swear we definitely would have done something but we are only 6% of the Pak's pop and already suffer immense discrimination and bigotry by Industanis. You can see just a glimpse of it in Karachi robbery thread https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/unre...eries-in-50-days.735996/page-10#post-13578553

 

[Adonis]

Hindus by default hate muslims and islam. Even the liberal and secular types.

Same is the case with Muslims...we created a new country out of hatred...floated 2 nation theory that Muslims and Hindus cannot live together..didn't we?....

 

[pakpride00090]

Same is the case with Muslims...we created a new country out of hatred...floated 2 nation theory that Muslims and Hindus cannot live together..didn't we?....

Nope. Looks like you are a typical idiot who hasn't learned history and started spitting Hindu propaganda.

Jinnah was called an agent of unity by Congress. All he ever wanted was separate electorates for muslims that will safeguard them politically. Congress refused to that and then reluctantly he had to go with the idea of Pakistan. Till 1937 he was a fervent supporter of a United india and wanted to have good relations with Hindus.

 

[xeuss]

True, but you are yourself guilty of conflating the approach of these fascists with that of all other Hindus.

That is grossly unfair, and you know it.

I agree that not every Hindu is a fascist, and I am sure my over-generalization is not helping.

But you have to look at my side, and why I resort to such epithets. The Hindu who will stand up for Muslims and defend them, in today's India, can be counted on fingers. This is a rapidly shrinking minority who have become insignificant in the larger Indian society. The vast majority of Hindu society, is not even batting an eye to what is happening against Muslims. Staying silent and wishing this time will pass with an election loss, is no longer an option.

I know you like to distinguish, but when my community is being attacked on all sides, I don't think I have the luxury to stand up and say that Joe Shearer is one of nice guys - unless he is with me in the house.

 

[xeuss]

Just a heads up.

Indus Pakistan hates Muhajir/hindustani/urdu speaking musalmans living in Pakistan who have their origins in India. He has been banned several times when it become abundantly clear that he is a bigot.

His writings and sentiment reflect his disdain for Indian muslims in general. This sentiment is not just limited to him but also other industanis.

@xeuss , I consider you more closer to me than other Pakistanis because we have same culture/language and ethnic origin. As I have said before , the best you will get is Prayers from Industanis for a few days , nothing more.

You are on your on buddy. I wish we(urdu speaking) people were powerful enough to do something because I swear we definitely would have done something but we are only 6% of the Pak's pop and already suffer immense discrimination and bigotry by Industanis. You can see just a glimpse of it in Karachi robbery thread https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/unre...eries-in-50-days.735996/page-10#post-13578553

I really have no illusions that the Muslim world, or the world in general will do anything for Indian Muslims. The same community stood by and did nothing for the Rohingya when they had no commercial or political interests in Myanmar.

Your words of support and prayer mean much more than you think. Whitewashing the crimes of the fascists is worse than the actions of the fascists themselves as they get encouragement and sustenance from such actions.

I recently ran into a Hindu in the US, who has been at the forefront of supporting the Indian Muslims by vocally speaking against what is happening in India. He mentioned that all his extended family in the US and India, is pro-BJP and they have cut off relations with him because of his positions. I offered my genuine thanks to him and asked him why is he doing all this for us? His answer, while simple, was quite striking. He said "I want to be on the right side of history. I don't want to be like that German after 1945 living a life of regret and shame. I don't want my son to grow up and think that his father was one "those Hindus" who supported a pogrom"

So yeah - at least be on the right side of history!

 

[MultaniGuy]

Haha, Those Hindutva should know what Europeans think of Hindus and Hinduism before commenting on Islam and Muslims.

LOL.

 

[xeuss]

That's a better way of putting it.

When you are at the receiving end, it's hard to distinguish between the castes when the entire ecosystem is against you.

 

[Paitoo]

I recently ran into a Hindu in the US, who has been at the forefront of supporting the Indian Muslims by vocally speaking against what is happening in India. He mentioned that all his extended family in the US and India, is pro-BJP and they have cut off relations with him because of his positions.

This is almost my story as well. The amount of insults and ridicule I have received on Facebook made me stop going there completely. Every possible sobriquet that you can think of has been applied to me, and I was only mildly critical then. Family has been kinder, friends not so much.

 

[xeuss]

Also don't hope much from Pakistan. Pakistanis ( particularly industanis ) are more interested in shouting " jinnah was right " rather than helping muslims in India by practical means.

This used to bother me a lot (but now I just shrug it away), and I know it bothers a lot of Indian Muslims. I never really understood the point of such statements when commenting on someone else's sufferings. It's like visiting a cancer patient at a hospital and instead of consoling and cheering him up, you trumpet your horn on how healthy you are.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I recently ran into a Hindu in the US, who has been at the forefront of supporting the Indian Muslims by vocally speaking against what is happening in India. He mentioned that all his extended family in the US and India, is pro-BJP and they have cut off relations with him because of his positions. I offered my genuine thanks to him and asked him why is he doing all this for us? His answer, while simple, was quite striking. He said "I want to be on the right side of history. I don't want to be like that German after 1945 living a life of regret and shame. I don't want my son to grow up and think that his father was one "those Hindus" who supported a pogrom"

So yeah - at least be on the right side of history!

Isn't it weird?

You quote the example of a Hindu who braved his environment to stand up for you, to praise a Muslim who has just told you he cannot do more than wish you well, because he himself is under pressure, and simultaneously tell another Hindu who is standing up for Muslim Indians that his efforts and wishes don't count. Yet you know what is happening, in real time, to those you dismiss in so cavalier a fashion.

Good going, and thank you for your service.

 

[TheSolution]

This used to bother me a lot (but now I just shrug it away), and I know it bothers a lot of Indian Muslims. I never really understood the point of such statements when commenting on someone else's sufferings. It's like visiting a cancer patient at a hospital and instead of consoling and cheering him up, you trumpet your horn on how healthy you are.

What if that patient once bragged about cancer never being a possibility, and mocked you for thinking such a thing could happen?

 

[xeuss]

Isn't it weird?

You quote the example of a Hindu who braved his environment to stand up for you, to praise a Muslim who has just told you he cannot do more than wish you well, because he himself is under pressure, and simultaneously tell another Hindu who is standing up for Muslim Indians that his efforts and wishes don't count. Yet you know what is happening, in real time, to those you dismiss in so cavalier a fashion.

Good going, and thank you for your service.

It actually not weird. The context of the messages that I wrote were different. In the first message, it was a general reflection of the larger problem without going into specific cases. The second message was a specific example, and not intended to be a reflection of larger society, and that is precisely why it was worth mentioning because it is an aberration, not the norm.

Think of it this way, I can't use the example of one Muslim citizen of the US to claim that the US is a Muslim country. It is largely a Christian country when speaking in general terms.

What if that patient once bragged about cancer never being a possibility, and mocked you for thinking such a thing could happen?

What if the patient never bragged about cancer being a possibility, but maybe you thought he bragged, when he said his health is fine?

 

[Joe Shearer]

It actually not weird. The context of the messages that I wrote were different. In the first message, it was a general reflection of the larger problem without going into specific cases. The second message was a specific example, and not intended to be a reflection of larger society, and that is precisely why it was worth mentioning because it is an aberration, not the norm.

Think of it this way, I can't use the example of one Muslim citizen of the US to claim that the US is a Muslim country. It is largely a Christian country when speaking in general terms.

A very sophisticated explanation, and so easy to understand.

Let us leave it at that. You have made your stand clear. I will not change mine for that reason; what I do is for my own sake, and my own reasons, not to earn your personal goodwill.

Thank you for your painstaking explanations.

 

[xeuss]

This is almost my story as well. The amount of insults and ridicule I have received on Facebook made me stop going there completely. Every possible sobriquet that you can think of has been applied to me, and I was only mildly critical then. Family has been kinder, friends not so much.

Commiserations to you (and @Joe Shearer as well) from me on your struggles. There are never any winners when fascism takes over. It destroys society, family and friends.

"Tell me what company you keep, and I will tell you what you are."

- Miguel De Cervantes

So perhaps you are better off without the company of those friends.