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Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

sir this is a JTF thread. kindly move these topics to india defence section.

nope..........

Hi... What comes to your mind after looking at pipe line orders of RD-93?

Please, correct me when wrong... at the moment 500 RD-93 order is already placed and MoU is in place for further 1000.

If China cannot re-export RD-93, than i suspect Pakistan is partner in some other jet also, could be J-31.
 
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This deal will never happen. China is still too cozy with Russia for Azerbaijan to buy fighters from them. After all, the only airforce in the region that the Azeris need to worry about is the Russian one.
 
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Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1 fighter - IHS Jane's 360

Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1 fighter
Richard D Fisher Jr, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Industry

23 June 2013

Officials from Argentine aerospace company Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) told IHS Jane's at the 2013 Paris Air Show they have had multiple discussions with Chinese officials over potential co-production of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 multirole combat aircraft.

Discussions are far from concluded, with FAdeA officials saying "technology transfer" issues remain a sticking point. Nonetheless, the discussions are the first formal effort that could lead to the co-production of a modern Chinese fighter in Latin America. FAdeA officials said the co-produced FC-1 could be called the 'Pulqui-III', recalling FAdeA's Pulqui-II, Latin America's first swept wing jet fighter, which was designed by Germany's Kurt Tank for the government of Juan Peron.
 
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Welp, looks like we don't have to worry about the salability of the JF-17 anymore.

Is Pakistan set to make any sort of profit from this?

More adverting than real info as the potential buyers are not named :
Many countries express interest in JF-17 Thunder - People's Daily Online

It still has Wing Commander Afzal of the 16th Sq interviewed briefly.

Good day all, Tay.

Well, one just got named. Argentina.
 
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This little bird is turning into a nice seller。

With better engine(WS13)、better radar,better avionics、better payloads,and AWACS to boot,it is an interesting package and will attract tens of emerging and developing countries in Asia、Africa and Latin America。
 
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sorry sir but why china dont want fc-1 in plaaf ???:undecided:

The answer is simple and clear:

China has J-10A/AS、J-10B,and soon J-10C。Yes,J-10C,a multi-role fighter attacker with AESA、improved avionics、conformal fuel tanks and wingtip pylons etc。

China has Su-27、Su-30、J-11A、J-11B/BS、J-15、J-15S,J-16,will soon have J-15B/BS,and possibly Su-35。

China has JH-7、JH-7A,with JH-7B in trial flights。

China will have J-20 and J-21,and a stealth J-XX(20H?) for future CV。

China is also prototyping a stealth fighter-bomber similar to FB-22。

China has。。。。:coffee:

But never say never!
 
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This little bird is turning into a nice seller。

With better engine(WS13)、better radar,better avionics、better payloads,and AWACS to boot,it is an interesting package and will attract tens of emerging and developing countries in Asia、Africa and Latin America。

any confermation on WS-13 in block 2 any updates??:pop:
 
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I can answer why PLAAF not equip JF-17 ?
At the end of 1980s Pakistan wanna China help to design a new 3gen fighter to replace old J-6 fighter.At that time PLAAF has their own J-10 project and importing Su-27sk project from Russia, the foreign investment of new fighter project only for Pakistan. Ofcourse during end of 1980s to 1990s, we've seen great changes for whole world.
At the beginning of FC-1 project, Pakistan ever invited China ChengDu and American aircraft manufactures together, China designed FC-1 aircraft body and the West to provide radar and engine system. But at 1990 end of honeymoon between China and West, American quit out the FC-1 project, so China ChengDu still continue FC-1 project alone untill 2003 1st FC-1 prototype flying.

PLAAF didn't equip JF-17 coz they'r not the creater of FC-1 project and no funding for this project yet.
 
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the question why china doesnt want it is answered already many times..
its simple the plane wasnt developed according to chinese needs in the 1st place.
the limited range allows FC-1 to be used in countries with either limited budget or limited geography
 
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I think PAC and CAC should allow Egypt, Libya and Algeria to license produce JF-17....
And should try to concentrate on Marketing it in Africa, S.America and EU countries too..
 
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I think PAC and CAC should allow Egypt, Libya and Algeria to license produce JF-17....
And should try to concentrate on Marketing it in Africa, S.America and EU countries too..

Egypt can be given the license later, not yet. The ground situation isn't stable.
Libya? Forget Libya for some decades now, and let them enjoy the democracy.
 
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The jf-17 export potential will always be limited by the politicized nature of arms procurement. The Egyptians settled on peace with Israel and were beneficiaries of a large force of f-16s, the Israelis themselves were gifted a few after they agreed to stay out of the first gulf war; Pakistan inducted f-16s as the Americans needed an ally against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Saudis spent a comical amount of money on US arms after the first Gulf War. In short, procurement of arms by nations often mirror their diplomatic standing in the wider realm of geopolitics. The collapse of the Soviet Union allowed the West to consolidate their standing among lesser nations, while simultaneously gaining a monopoly over the armament needs of said nations. The Chinese find themselves trying to fight against what is now institutionalized bias against their arms industry.

If the jf-17 is to have any chance of success as an exportable entity, it is then limited to nations that aren't aligned with the Western powers. The nations the Americans and the like have not found important enough or have active hostility towards. Both types of nations present Pakistan and by extension China with a potentially major marketing problem. In the same vain that Soviet/Russian aircraft have horrific reputations, supplying the jf-17 to a nation with nary the capabilities and experience present in the PAF, could completely destroy any further export potential and the domestic confidence in the fighter. PAF does not have the kind of money or resources required to setup a whole new doctrine and training for another nation's air force, leaving the jf-17 at the mercy of pilots that may have no business flying it and maintenance crews with not the slightest clue on how to maintain it long term. Doing business with nations hostile to the US would put China directly in competition with the Americans. A place China is not, at least today, equipped to handle. Nations that don't necessarily have the kind of funds to procure Western aircraft or diplomatic clout to benefit from American aid are the kind of target market that can do more damage than good to the cause of the jf-17. A nation that is short on money could easily sell of a jf-17 to benefit from a monetary perspective or an even greater diplomatic and political one. Pakistan's adversaries are not short on funds and could easily procure the one trump card we have left. The unexposed jf-17 is an advantage in a potential war that will be far greater than most people realize, since its exact capabilities are unknown to all those who are a threat to the PAF. Selling it to nations that might easily pawn it off to the highest bidder puts, what is sensitive technology by Pakistani standards, in the hands of our biggest adversaries.

The potential market of the jf-17 is then by default, limited to nations with limited resources and even less experience with this kind of aircraft. Traditional allies of Pakistan are too far in the American camp that Pakistani itself comfortably once called home, and they will keep feeding the American arms industry with billions in order to appease the US. For those who do not believe China will have a big say in where the jf-17 can and cannot be sold to must realize the Communist nature of the nation's government means no corporation is technically private. This may have been a joint venture that didn't include the Chinese Airforce, but the owner of the Chinese portion of the investment is the same government that runs the air force. The export potential of this project is a reflection of China's place in the global arena, which is hardly impressive at this point in time. It may be smarter for the PAF to oppose Chinese efforts to export it and enjoy this aircraft and keep it's capabilities to themselves. An unpopular opinion I'm sure, but the military industry has never conformed to the laws of economics so profit and loss in dollar terms isn't relevant. Maintaining strategic surprise with an unexposed fighter is profit enough.
 
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The jf-17 export potential will always be limited by the politicized nature of arms procurement. The Egyptians settled on peace with Israel and were beneficiaries of a large force of f-16s, the Israelis themselves were gifted a few after they agreed to stay out of the first gulf war; Pakistan inducted f-16s as the Americans needed an ally against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Saudis spent a comical amount of money on US arms after the first Gulf War. In short, procurement of arms by nations often mirror their diplomatic standing in the wider realm of geopolitics. The collapse of the Soviet Union allowed the West to consolidate their standing among lesser nations, while simultaneously gaining a monopoly over the armament needs of said nations. The Chinese find themselves trying to fight against what is now institutionalized bias against their arms industry.

If the jf-17 is to have any chance of success as an exportable entity, it is then limited to nations that aren't aligned with the Western powers. The nations the Americans and the like have not found important enough or have active hostility towards. Both types of nations present Pakistan and by extension China with a potentially major marketing problem. In the same vain that Soviet/Russian aircraft have horrific reputations, supplying the jf-17 to a nation with nary the capabilities and experience present in the PAF, could completely destroy any further export potential and the domestic confidence in the fighter. PAF does not have the kind of money or resources required to setup a whole new doctrine and training for another nation's air force, leaving the jf-17 at the mercy of pilots that may have no business flying it and maintenance crews with not the slightest clue on how to maintain it long term. Doing business with nations hostile to the US would put China directly in competition with the Americans. A place China is not, at least today, equipped to handle. Nations that don't necessarily have the kind of funds to procure Western aircraft or diplomatic clout to benefit from American aid are the kind of target market that can do more damage than good to the cause of the jf-17. A nation that is short on money could easily sell of a jf-17 to benefit from a monetary perspective or an even greater diplomatic and political one. Pakistan's adversaries are not short on funds and could easily procure the one trump card we have left. The unexposed jf-17 is an advantage in a potential war that will be far greater than most people realize, since its exact capabilities are unknown to all those who are a threat to the PAF. Selling it to nations that might easily pawn it off to the highest bidder puts, what is sensitive technology by Pakistani standards, in the hands of our biggest adversaries.

The potential market of the jf-17 is then by default, limited to nations with limited resources and even less experience with this kind of aircraft. Traditional allies of Pakistan are too far in the American camp that Pakistani itself comfortably once called home, and they will keep feeding the American arms industry with billions in order to appease the US. For those who do not believe China will have a big say in where the jf-17 can and cannot be sold to must realize the Communist nature of the nation's government means no corporation is technically private. This may have been a joint venture that didn't include the Chinese Airforce, but the owner of the Chinese portion of the investment is the same government that runs the air force. The export potential of this project is a reflection of China's place in the global arena, which is hardly impressive at this point in time. It may be smarter for the PAF to oppose Chinese efforts to export it and enjoy this aircraft and keep it's capabilities to themselves. An unpopular opinion I'm sure, but the military industry has never conformed to the laws of economics so profit and loss in dollar terms isn't relevant. Maintaining strategic surprise with an unexposed fighter is profit enough.

Summary: The JF-17 will never be an export success.

Unpopular or not, your opinion in this matter is correct and one that I agree with, Sir.
 
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