Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[knight11]

Dear he meant to say that you are asking questions which are already answered in old threads...... since you are new so you will read them time to time..... any way..... to

Thanks for your warm welcome.
I didn't ask any question from him about that subject, nor I have read what he have written from time to time. I was only quoting to some other guy what I believe is correct.

 

[MastanKhan]

Bhai mere you enjoy with your Pakistani Pal there is no way to discuss with you and there is no point to tell you.
Technologies keep changing and evolving and so did the tactics and doctrine. We were discussing the technical factors in an hypothetical warfare. Now since you had lower your standand to hath and janthe where I can't go lets say you enjoy in your bathroom dreaming and pls BUZZ ME OFF!!



Respected Sir,

Is there any relation between the no. of posts and the time spending in this forum and the facts I presented.
I am not trying to take authority from you. Since I have only 95 post you can go through them and point me where I am wrong and what I believe is incorrect with facts. You might have more knowledge than me but believe me you would be talking to a technical person with open mind and who can accept reality with clear mind.

And the above statement of yours regarding embarrassment and hiding face due to honor you are 100% true but I disagree with your belief.

thanks and regards

Hi,

Welcome to the board----2 months or 95 posts----what difference does it make----or does it!

You have picked up on something that most of the poster have no comprehension about---and that is the weapons package of this aircraft.

I doubt it if there is any other single engine aircraft designed with these capabilities except for the upgraded M2k9!

 

[knight11]

Hi,

Welcome to the board----2 months or 95 posts----what difference does it make----or does it!

You have picked up on something that most of the poster have no comprehension about---and that is the weapons package of this aircraft.

I doubt it if there is any other single engine aircraft designed with these capabilities except for the upgraded M2k9!

Thanks for the rating.
Yeah it is the weapon package which the people here are not giving importance. Antiship Cruise missile, BVR even they are just show piece will cause the adversaries to change their tactics and to fear about. Posters here are only discussing turn rate, aerodynamic, this and that and our plane will do that and so on, they forgot these types are just the marketing stunts and when loaded with all the weapons and fuel on board will not be doing such stunts and the result of the Ariel warfare depends on tactics and the skills of the pilots which is responsible of taking their beloved fighter plane to extreme limit.

 

[Dash]

Thanks for the rating.
Yeah it is the weapon package which the people here are not giving importance. Antiship Cruise missile, BVR even they are just show piece will cause the adversaries to change their tactics and to fear about. Posters here are only discussing turn rate, aerodynamic, this and that and our plane will do that and so on, they forgot these types are just the marketing stunts and when loaded with all the weapons and fuel on board will not be doing such stunts and the result of the Ariel warfare depends on tactics and the skills of the pilots which is responsible of taking their beloved fighter plane to extreme limit.

Stunt fighters have enough thrust to weight ratio even when fully loaded. And when on a deep strike role every bomber e.g Su 30 will be escorted by other fighters with a lighter config mainly a2a missiles and jammers. So they do the stunt while others bomb. Its always a combination that works together.

 

[Tipu7]

Thanks for your warm welcome.
I didn't ask any question from him about that subject, nor I have read what he have written from time to time. I was only quoting to some other guy what I believe is correct.

Folk...... I welcomed you..... and u didn't like my comment......
Any way stay logical and wise. We desperately need such Indians on this forum which r not victim of their t.v. channels......

 

[MastanKhan]

Thanks for the rating.
Yeah it is the weapon package which the people here are not giving importance. Antiship Cruise missile, BVR even they are just show piece will cause the adversaries to change their tactics and to fear about. Posters here are only discussing turn rate, aerodynamic, this and that and our plane will do that and so on, they forgot these types are just the marketing stunts and when loaded with all the weapons and fuel on board will not be doing such stunts and the result of the Ariel warfare depends on tactics and the skills of the pilots which is responsible of taking their beloved fighter plane to extreme limit.

Hi,

Air warfare has changed by leaps and bounds since the beginning of 21st century---. As much as was the focus was on close combat in the past---so much more is the focus on shoot and scoot from long distances----100-150 million
dollar planes would not want to engage in a dog fight with a 30 million dollar plane.

The first major conflict between two adversaries with BVR weapons will be the game changer---right now---it is all speculation---but it is a very crucial speculation---. The what if factor is hanging like the Democles sword over the super powers----. What is going to happen if my 200 million dollar plane is taken out by a 50 million dollar plane----what are we going to do then.

But then to top that off----there is the wvr dog fight as well---now you will be 30-40 million dollar planes with off bore sight missile launch capability---so again the 100---200 million dollar plane will have issues.

The concept of air superiority is not as simple as it used to be----. If you can build a better missile with a better homing device that can lock on at longer distances and has a very high kill ratio at extreme limits of its range---the opponent has issues.

 

[knight11]

Folk...... I welcomed you..... and u didn't like my comment......
Any way stay logical and wise. We desperately need such Indians on this forum which r not victim of their t.v. channels......

Sir, when did I say i don't like your comment.

Did you find me logical and wise? LOL thats great and thanx again

Stunt fighters have enough thrust to weight ratio even when fully loaded. And when on a deep strike role every bomber e.g Su 30 will be escorted by other fighters with a lighter config mainly a2a missiles and jammers. So they do the stunt while others bomb. Its always a combination that works together.

Sir,
During stunts in show the planes are only with 1/4the of the fuel and without any weapon load. For deep strike mission Rafale and Jaguar is the right candidate and MKI for Air Superiority with ground attack capability. You have added all the fighter plane in a same mission.

First will be SEAD and DEAD supression and distruction of the air defence using rafale, Cruise missiles and Uav
Second superiority in air space.
Third is then the ground attack

No pilot wants to get involved in dogfight either USAF, PAF, RuAF or IAF
The main tactics would be keep the adversaries on the ground at their base and distroy them there and not in air

Its not like that what you saw in movies

Regards

 

[Tipu7]

Did you find me logical and wise? LOL thats great and thanx again

So far .......

 

[knight11]

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Sir, when did I say i don't like your comment.

Did you find me logical and wise? LOL thats great and thanx again

Sir,
During stunts in show the planes are only with 1/4the of the fuel and without any weapon load. For deep strike mission Rafale and Jaguar is the right candidate and MKI for Air Superiority with ground attack capability. You have added all the fighter plane in a same mission.

First will be SEAD and DEAD supression and distruction of the air defence using rafale, Cruise missiles and Uav
Second superiority in air space.
Third is then the ground attack

No pilot wants to get involved in dogfight either USAF, PAF, RuAF or IAF
The main tactics would be keep the adversaries on the ground at their base and distroy them there and not in air

Its not like that what you saw in movies

Regards

@MastanKhan how does the rating works you have +35 green and -1 what does that means and I have none

 

[Tipu7]

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@MastanKhan how does the rating works you have +35 green and -1 what does that means and I have none

Lol bro..... u r asking such thing from Sir.
Look...... If you post nice facts an figure and stay logical then you will get positive ratings by admins..... I am still working on it, it's hard
And if u post utter rubbish or use inappropriate words, u will get negative rating to which I call HALL OF SHAME ...... never ever post anti religious or ,graphic or PG content, u will be banned........

 

[knight11]

Hi,

Air warfare has changed by leaps and bounds since the beginning of 21st century---. As much as was the focus was on close combat in the past---so much more is the focus on shoot and scoot from long distances----100-150 million
dollar planes would not want to engage in a dog fight with a 30 million dollar plane.

The first major conflict between two adversaries with BVR weapons will be the game changer---right now---it is all speculation---but it is a very crucial speculation---. The what if factor is hanging like the Democles sword over the super powers----. What is going to happen if my 200 million dollar plane is taken out by a 50 million dollar plane----what are we going to do then.

But then to top that off----there is the wvr dog fight as well---now you will be 30-40 million dollar planes with off bore sight missile launch capability---so again the 100---200 million dollar plane will have issues.

The concept of air superiority is not as simple as it used to be----. If you can build a better missile with a better homing device that can lock on at longer distances and has a very high kill ratio at extreme limits of its range---the opponent has issues.

Technologies keep changing and so do the tactics. Have you seen the promo video of PYTHON 5 I am very Imressed with this weapon lighter, highly egile and lethal. I think its more better to have missile like MICA and Python than other BVR and fight of BVR (no 5th gen) will be at the range of 25-35 KM.

One more thing Sir, did you noticed how USA is cleverly developing its futuristic weapon disguised behind a plane named F-35

 

[Dash]

Sir, when did I say i don't like your comment.

Did you find me logical and wise? LOL thats great and thanx again

Sir,
During stunts in show the planes are only with 1/4the of the fuel and without any weapon load. For deep strike mission Rafale and Jaguar is the right candidate and MKI for Air Superiority with ground attack capability. You have added all the fighter plane in a same mission.

First will be SEAD and DEAD supression and distruction of the air defence using rafale, Cruise missiles and Uav
Second superiority in air space.
Third is then the ground attack

No pilot wants to get involved in dogfight either USAF, PAF, RuAF or IAF
The main tactics would be keep the adversaries on the ground at their base and distroy them there and not in air

Its not like that what you saw in movies

Regards

My answer was in general without any technicality involved. However can you pls elaborate what stunts are you talking about? I guess not airshow stunts?

 

[knight11]

My answer was in general without any technicality involved. However can you pls elaborate what stunts are you talking about? I guess not airshow stunts?

Display flying Air Show during various events (Only for the people to clap)

 

[Mitro]

When the best BVR is American and Pakistan bought it in hundred I think 500 not for show .
Why we assume PAF is only going to defend when history tells us otherwise.
Su30mki is not for show and iaf is going to bring the best of them in front and try to dominant the airspace but unfortunately for them is not going to happen .

Sir,

Please respect the forum---our Lingua franca is English---. As for BVR's---the americans are the best then the Chinese SD 10 b---and then the Russians---.

India has the older versions with a very poor kill ratio at 70 % of the range---. There are no bvr's with 300 KM range against fighter aircraft.


In actual combat----SU 30 would be the last aircraft to see action---the first in line would be the mirage 2k's and mig29's---.

India will not risk the SU 30 until air superiority has been reached----. If it lost a large number of SU 30----that will be a big hurt to the ego and moral---.

Right now the aim 120 on the blk 52 F 16's is the most advanced bvr missile in the arena.

 

[Dazzler]

@Oscar @Jango @waz

Close the thread as there s too much trash spread by u know whom.