Exiled Afghan warlords form resistance council to fight Taliban

[Thinker3]

And what culture is that? The saudi Petrodollar one which wants to destroy all previous Islamic culture, art, literature. Why do you believe Islamic history is being targeted in Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Mali, Somalia, Yemen? Pakistan has many people who are confused about their beautiful history, culture, art, way of life. This is why they follow either Saudia, India or West. The real Islamic culture and values are part of Pakistan history which our corrupt governments fail to promote.



Turkic nations are only trying to revive their history and culture. They are not promoting this on others, the Turk nations have western and Russian influences but they are trying to find themselves, find their historical art, language, Islam.

That culture is what Islam teaches us to follow from Quran and authentic hadith.
Islam teaches that Muslim is brother of other Muslim regardless of race, ethnicity, cast, colour or anyother criteria. All humans are equal. As a Muslim our Nationalism is based on Islam.

 

[PakAlp]

First of all, there is no such thing as "Pakistani culture". There is Punjabi, Sindhi, Baloch, Pashtun, etc culture though. Pakistani is a civic identity, not an ethnic one.

"Islam" is not an ethnicity either. It's a religion. Stop conflating categories.

That says alot, I wasted my time. No hard feelings.

 

[PakAlp]

That culture is what Islam teaches us to follow from Quran and authentic hadith.

Islamic culture is the culture that was part of the great Islamic empires, the historical Islam, the golden era of Islam. That is what made us a powerful force. The west learnt from it and are now a great cultural movement which noone can challenge whilst the Muslims are still confused what way to go.

The Turk realised this, some of their nations are western influenced, some are Russian, this is why they are working towards a common culture, identity but they cannot agree because of the differences. This is when agreement was signed to promote their historical culture, language, art, values etc. I am talking about their Islamic history which is part of the Islamic history of the ummah.

People are feeling insecure for no reason. Calm down the Turks are not coming, Usa/India will not allow it.

This is why I originally mentioned that Turks will influence and make relations with their Turk people in Afghanistan. What will Pakistan do? Make enemies with Turkey/Turkic nations, Iran etc but lick Usa/Indian/Saudi boots.

 

[Thinker3]

Islamic culture is the culture that was part of the great Islamic empires, the historical Islam, the golden era of Islam. That is what made us a powerful force. The west learnt from it and are now a great cultural movement which noone can challenge whilst the Muslims are still confused what way to go.

The Turk realised this, some of their nations are western influenced, some are Russian, this is why they are working towards a common culture, identity but they cannot agree because of the differences. This is when agreement was signed to promote their historical culture, language, art, values etc. I am talking about their Islamic history which is part of the Islamic history of the ummah.

People are feeling insecure for no reason. Calm down the Turks are not coming, Usa/India will not allow it.

This is why I originally mentioned that Turks will influence and make relations with their Turk people in Afghanistan. What will Pakistan do? Make enemies with Turkey/Turkic nations, Iran etc but lick Usa/Indian/Saudi boots.

Islam is a complete way of living and a complete socio political and economic system.
Racial or ethic based Nationalism is wrong. Turkey should work for Muslim unity rather than racial and ethnic division, if they want to help Afghanistan then help every one rather than creating ethnic and racial divide and conflict.

 

[PakAlp]

Islam is a complete way of living and a complete socio political and economic system.
Racial or ethic based Nationalism is wrong. Turkey should work for Muslim unity rather than racial and ethnic division, if they want to help Afghanistan then help every one rather than creating ethnic and racial divide and conflict.

They will help everyone but will also make relations with their Turk people. Pakistan also does the same with the pastuns although they are responsible for the most suicide attacks.

 

[Thinker3]

They will help everyone but will also make relations with their Turk people. Pakistan also does the same with the pastuns although they are responsible for the most suicide attacks.

They are not doing that in fact they are giving refugees to war criminals and facilitating meeting of resistance groups who are threatening civil war.
Pakistan support in Afghanistan was never based on race or ethnicity.

 

[Mr.Green]

Turkey/Tajikistan are supporting the Turkic people in Afghanistan. They have a great chance to make allies and have a future in Afghanistan through development, trade, security, culture, language.

Afghan population is:
42% Pashtun
9% Hazaras (Persian
27% Tajikis (Turkic but speak persian)
9% Uzbekh (Turkic)
3% Turk

As you can see, Turkish influence cannot be ignored in Afghanistan, Tajikistan will also have alot of influence. These communities are different from the Taliban, they may have not resisted them but if problems arise then civil war could take place.

By 2040 Turkic nations will form a joint Block and Joint army, they will protect their beautiful culture and way of life. The Taliban on the other hands are completely different.

If Allah has given Sharia rule to the Afghans then who are the Turks to argue while they fiddle with their democracy?

 

[Mr.Green]

Allah sent many Prophets to the Jews who were the chosen people but they went on the wrong path. They Allah selected the Arabs and they led for centuries. Then the Arabs became weak and leadership passed to the Turks. Allah again gave the leadership to Islamic State under the Arabs but they were in a hurry and antagonized everybody and were destroyed. Now Allah has given a great victory to the Afghan Taliban and gave them back their government. They have implemented Sharia again. The leader of Panjshir victory was Qari Fasihuddin who is an ethnic Tajik or Uzbek. There are many nationalities among the Taliban. The Arabs under Zawahiri have pledged allegiance to them. The Punjabi Taliban follow them. The TTP follows them. The Taliban need to evolve into a modern Muslim State but it will take time, effort and patience. When have the winners shared the rule with the losers in a war? Did the Northern Alliance share the government with the Taiban for twenty years?

 

[Sayfullah]

27% Tajikis (Turkic but speak persian)

Tajiks are NOT Turkic people

 

[Sayfullah]

As you can see, Turkish influence cannot be ignored in Afghanistan, Tajikistan will also have alot of influence. These communities are different from the Taliban, they may have not resisted them but if problems arise then civil war could take place.

All those ethnicities have their own Taliban factions. All those ethnicities in Afghanistan see Taliban and Pashtuns as closer to them than Turkey. Tajiks aren’t Turkic. Tajikistan will have minimal influence and if it try’s to hard they’ll face what they faced before. Just a couple days ago Hekmatyar threatened Tajikistan and we all know how harsh he is on them. Tajikistan civil war was not long ago and Taliban and their allies have the means to recreate such a scenario in Tajikistan.
Turkey should stick to its region and stop peaking its nose in other peoples backyards or it will leave with a bloody nose.
Your a Pakistani you should want Pakistani influence in Afghanistan only. Stop larping over Turks. Pashtuns are still our biggest allies in Afghanistan as we can influence them the most since we have many Pashtuns on our side. That’s the reason why Pashtuns have lead the way against soviets and nato because it was far easier for us to support Pashtuns than an ethnicity we have 0 influence over. TTP is still an issue for us and Taliban are reluctant to deal with them but, the benefits we get with Taliban government in Afghanistan far outweighs the consequences. Now we have a conventionally weak Afghanistan with no global recognition and heavily dependent on Pakistan. I’d rather have Taliban in power than an Afghanistan with a somewhat strong conventional army and global support. Since Taliban and Afghanistan in general is weak, we have more say over Afghanistan and don’t have to worry about two front war. Letting Turks influence Afghanistan and have a pro turkey government in Afghanistan would be horrible for Pakistan because we’ll have a potential enemy neighbour with a strong conventionally army, global recognition and we have 0 influence over.

It is in Pakistan’s interest to send covert aid to Taliban if needed to destroy these Turkish proxies. Afghanistan can only have Pakistani influence and that’s all.