Exclusive - Saudi Arabia, U.S. in talks on billions in arms sales

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Hi,

The Saudis did offer pakistan the deal---" the yemen crisis "----pakistan refused it.

The Saudis / GCC were ready to give the barn lock stock and barrel to pakistan---. Gen Raheel refused it---pakistani parliament refused----.

You know why pak parliament refused it----it will tell you the level of stupidity of the pakistanis---because the Turk parliament had refused the U S for passage during 1st gulf war---Pak parliament wanted to the same---morons had no clue what would the cosequences be and how different the situation was.

Corruption is Crime Against Humanity!

Incompetence is even worse!

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

With this deal, one less customer for Russian PAKFA. Seems like KSA will go with US 5th Gen fighter.

 

[MastanKhan]

Corruption is Crime Against Humanity!

Incompetence is even worse!

Hi,

The sad part is---there is no one in pakistan telling the pakistanis of their folly.

If you understand the language on the TV talk shows---each and everyone of them has a more miserable analysis of the situation than the other---.

And if you listen to the politicians---they are more clueless about the world than a flea living in an elephants ear.

I cannot forget the Japanese ambassador's answer to a question put forward by a pakistani reporter around 2004-2005---at that time the pakistani economy had an explosive growth---.

The question How soon would you see pakistan succeed economically---the answer was---never---the reporter was shocked---he asked why---the japanese ambassador replied---" because pakistan is travelling opposite to the direction of success---it will never succeed ".

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Hi,

The sad part is---there is no one in pakistan telling the pakistanis of their folly.

If you understand the language on the TV talk shows---each and everyone of them has a more miserable analysis of the situation than the other---.

And if you listen to the politicians---they are more clueless about the world than a flea living in an elephants ear.

I cannot forget the Japanese ambassador's answer to a question put forward by a pakistani reporter around 2004-2005---at that time the pakistani economy had an explosive growth---.

The question How soon would you see pakistan succeed economically---the answer was---never---the reporter was shocked---he asked why---the japanese ambassador replied---" because pakistan is travelling opposite to the direction of success---it will never succeed ".

Yes, MK, you are spot on.

However, it is not Pakistan that is going in wrong direction it is the ruling class which has betrayed Pak with its relgious misdirection or corrupt actions, time after time after time... masses everywhere are at mercy of ruling elite...regardless of the system of governance. Blame the parasitical ruling elite of Pak...

What has transpired through ICJ and Mr. Sharif or elite's role in the sabotage has truly shocked me. I don't speak Pak language and neither do I watch any TV... I have none.

I have at least committed myself to put under every post in the relevant sections on PDF

Corruption is Crime Against Humanity!

I know on the ground it will have Zero effect....but just like you... I want to do my little part.

You have been raving about it since time immorial...now it is time for myself to support this Cause.


Corruption is Crime Against Humanity!


Anyhow, hats off to the arabs/KSA... at least they are working in their national interests!!!!!

 

[The SC]

It is not that easy. Getting ToT is one thing but having the capability to effectively absorbing this knowledge is another thing. If you don't have a decent industry, you won't be able to use or implement knowledge you've received. That's the main difference between KSA and Israel/Turkey/Iran today. ToT is cool but as long as Saudi Arabia doesn't have the industrial and scientific resources, nothing will change. That's why a good economy policy is even more important than any Tot agreement with the US.

Well, apparently KSA has that capability for absorbing new ToT, otherwise you won't see the most technologically advanced companies in the world signing ToT agreements with KSA, be it US companies, Turkish, ones, Chinese, Japanese or South Korean and South African ones..to mention a few.. The economic deals again, be it with the US, China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia and others were of paramount importance to KSA as one can deduce it from the King Salman's tour of Asia and the recent visit of the deputy crown prince MBS to the US announcing a $250 billion deal in civilian investments that we have seen concretised by the actual signing of the deals in KSA yesterday..

Most of this money does eventually end up in R&D..........for the US Defense industry!

What Saudi Arabia and UAE has done over the decades is massively fund US Defence industry's R&D. Would the US be able to keep this supreme edge without the Trillions of $$$ that Saudi Arabia and Billions of $$$ that UAE has provided them against weapons? And yet, Israel can run over both these countries without spending a fraction of what these 2 countries have spent. Basically, it is no secret, Saudi Arabia and UAE invest so massively in US to protect their respective kingdoms.......otherwise, the US would simply introduce democracy, liberty and freedom in these 2 countries.

Apparently, not anymore as so many technologies will be transferred to KSA and the establishment of own KSA R&D centres as it has been announced yesterday..The US might keep the edge in technology through its R&D program, but KSA will be there too.. isn't it good enough?

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Well, apparently KSA has that capability for absorbing new ToT, otherwise you won't see the most technologically advanced companies in the world signing ToT agreements with KSA, be it US companies, Turkish, ones, Chinese, Japanese or South Korean and South African ones..to mention a few.. The economic deals again, be it with the US, China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia and others were of paramount importance to KSA as one can deduce it from the King Salman's tour of Asia and the recent visit of the deputy crown prince MBS to the US announcing a $250 billion deal in civilian investments that we have seen concretised by the actual signing of the deals in KSA yesterday..


Apparently, not anymore as so many technologies will be transferred to KSA and the establishment of own KSA R&D centres as it has been announced yesterday..The US might keep the edge in technology through its R&D program, but KSA will be there too.. isn't it good enough?

Ah, my friend... did you notice the timing....?

IPO of KSA crown jewel...combined with economic strategic activity picking up...

Everything interlinked and rather well thought of...

Honestly, I am quite impressed... in my mind there was this stereotype of KSA...you know vast desert and all...

But after seeing all those pictures and articles in Made in KSA thread that you started...plus some other non-PDF information... is quite insightful...

Wish KSA can also transform on social front as well...while retaining its traditions.... it is your internal affair... but religious police...need to go...

Anyhow, all the best...at least KSA has a concrete Vision 2030 and is working systematically towards this end.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Saudi Arabia is spending billions of dollars on American weapons?

I can't believe it!

 

[azzo]

اتركوا البهايم يلطموا ​

 

[The SC]

A not confirmed list of the possible weapon systems bought by KSA in the $110 billion deal:

- M1A2 Abrams to replace their last M60s. In lieu of Germany blocking the Leopard 2A7 from the Saudis.

- ~40 M777 Howitzers

- THAADs & Many more Patriot Batteries

- Boeing 737 AEW&Cs

- ~12 P-8 Poseidons

- KC-46 Pegasus

- More Apaches

- ~30 Chinooks

- ~10 AH-6 Littlebirds

- ~MH-60s

- ~20 C-130Js

- ~50 HIMARS

- ~200 F-35

- ~10 Boeing 747's and 777's upgraded by Boeing for VIP/security travel

- Hundreds of Sidewinders, Hellfire, JDAMs

- 4 Littoral Combat Ships modified LCS, with option to buy 4 more

- 10 SeaHawk

- (Maybe ) 2 Destroyers

- ~4 Diesel-Electric subs constructed by Lockheed Martin based on "Type-216" sub

Numbers can change

 

[Azeri440]

A not confirmed list of the possible weapon systems bought by KSA in the $110 billion deal:

- M1A2 Abrams to replace their last M60s. In lieu of Germany blocking the Leopard 2A7 from the Saudis.

- ~40 M777 Howitzers

- THAADs & Many more Patriot Batteries

- Boeing 737 AEW&Cs

- ~12 P-8 Poseidons

- KC-46 Pegasus

- More Apaches

- ~30 Chinooks

- ~10 AH-6 Littlebirds

- ~MH-60s

- ~20 C-130Js

- ~50 HIMARS

- ~200 F-35

- ~10 Boeing 747's and 777's upgraded by Boeing for VIP/security travel

- Hundreds of Sidewinders, Hellfire, JDAMs

- 4 Littoral Combat Ships modified LCS, with option to buy 4 more

- 10 SeaHawk

- (Maybe ) 2 Destroyers

- ~4 Diesel-Electric subs constructed by Lockheed Martin based on "Type-216" sub

Numbers can change

Saudis aiming to have more aircraft than people by 2025?

 

[The SC]

Saudis aiming to have more aircraft than people by 2025?

What makes you say that? Some nations have more than a thousand aircrafts, and I am not talking about the US, Russia or China..

 

[Azeri440]

What makes you say that? Some nations have more than a thousand aircrafts, and I am not talking about the US, Russia or China..

sure, but Saudis already have an air force that is leaps and bounds ahead of its neighbors, with 200 F-35s, they will have a better air force than Russia, and only USAF and other branches can rival the combined power of the whole GCC

 

[Fafnir]

With this deal, one less customer for Russian PAKFA. Seems like KSA will go with US 5th Gen fighter.

I dont think there was ever any serious chance of any military deals with saudi and russia,indeed most of the so called "deals" that were on offer were more along the lines of saudi attempts at bribes.I also for the life of me just couldnt imagine the russians selling the pak-fa,russias most advanced 5th gen fighter to a western vassal state like saudi,it makes about as much sense as the us selling the f22 to the chinese,by the same token I dont think we`ll see the saudis/gulfis getting the f35 any time soon either as israel must keep its military edge in the region,so who knows maybe they might buy chinese.

 

[Baby Leone]

the reason why this US president was keen to visit a Muslim country for "pease & stability"

 

[mike2000 is back]

It's the desert kingdoms of near east who invites leaders from the civilized world and begs for mercy and to intervene in their affairs, not the other way around. Moral high ground is irrelevant here. Have you ever seen any troops from your region being deployed anywhere in the civilized world or refugees from the civilized world begging for mercy ? That's the difference between the civilized and the savage. Go educate !

You tone sounds like @Valar Dohaeris , seems you got a good friend here.

You didn't have to use such language dude. Can make your point without resorting to such language