Exclusive: India losing more soldiers in Red Corridors than J-K

[kaykay]

Lowest ever casualties I say. kashmiri Mujahideens are weaken beyond repair and maoists are in process to be weaken as security casualties have fallen lowest ever.

 

[janon]

its a SF of yr reserved police do some research. Its been repeatedly been accused of atrocities in kashmir as well. We know it very well.


what a great man u r do u even know police is also considered as an armed force?

I don't need to make fun of you, since you are doing uch a great job yourself.

Dude, CRPF is the central reserve police force. It is not any special force of any other reserved police or any such crap. And no, police forces are not considered as armed forces of India, whi is a term exclusicely reserved to military forces. Namely the army, navy, air force and coast guard.

Indian Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Indian Armed Forces (Devanāgarī: भारतीय सशस्त्र सेनाएं, Bhāratīya Saśastra Sēnāēn) are the military forces of the Republic of India. It consist of four professional uniformed services: the Indian Army, Indian Navy, Indian Air Force and Indian Coast Guard.

Central Reserve Police Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please don't insult yourself with these stupid comments, like CRPF being the special force of a reserve force or whatever it is that you pull out of your backside.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

I don't need to make fun of you, since you are doing uch a great job yourself.

Dude, CRPF is the central reserve police force. It is not any special force of any other reserved police or any such crap. And no, police forces are not considered as armed forces of India, whi is a term exclusicely reserved to military forces. Namely the army, navy, air force and coast guard.

Indian Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Central Reserve Police Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please don't insult yourself with these stupid comments, like CRPF being the special force of a reserve force or whatever it is that you pull out of your backside.

Police is also considered as Armed Force in the World i dont know abt yr standards.

 

[janon]

@Umair Nawaz : The CRPF has a very small and new special force batallion, called the COBRAs. So I suppose the COBRAs are the special force of the special force of the reserve force according to you. LOL.

Anyway, try to learn something. The CRPF, as its name says, is the reserve police force of India, mainly employed for election duties and such occasions when the local police forces don't have adequate numbers. Riot control, election duties are their main function, and they also fight insurgents, because to us it is a mere law and order problem, to be sorted out by the policemen, not the army with tanks and fighter jets.

In your country the police, paramilitaries, militaries are all getting whipped by insurgents, so I guess yo can't understand the difference in magnitude.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

mate C.R.P.F. is basically a reserve Police force maintained by the GoI which can be pressed into any law and order crisis within the Indian territories.the same thing happened in the red corridor also.Initially the C.R.P.F. were taking heavy casualties owing to poor training in counter-insurgency and jungle warfare but the tides are changing slowly but surely in their favor after the establishment of a specialised Counter-insurgency unit called COBRA within the C.R.P.F.these COBRA personnel are being trained by the Indian Army trainers at the CIJWS in Mizoram and due to their superior training and sophisticated weaponry they have been instrumental in inflicting serious damages to the Maoist ranks in the recent years.nowadays,the Maoist rebels are being hunted at will by these COBRA operatives and most of the senior leadership of C.P.I.(Maoist) have either been eliminated or being arrested in the past 2-3 years.
Maoists are now basically fighting for their very survival and i can only say that they are loosing grounds to the Indian Police personnel by the each passing day

if thats true then i think there r big issue within yr management staff or the bureaucrats who make such decisions. Their roles as per wikipedia r same as our SFs operating in KP. Maybe thats why we dont hear this abt our armed forces.

 

[janon]

Police is also considered as Armed Force in the World i dont know abt yr standards.

No, it isn't. The term 'armed forces' is almost exclusively used for the military, and maybe for paramilitaries, but not for police forces.

Armed forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, since your attempts at trolling ended with such a spectacular expose of your own ignorance, I suggest you take the time to read and learn a few things. There is no shame in that. It is never too late to do that.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@Umair Nawaz : The CRPF has a very small and new special force batallion, called the COBRAs. So I suppose the COBRAs are the special force of the special force of the reserve force according to you. LOL.

Anyway, try to learn something. The CRPF, as its name says, is the reserve police force of India, mainly employed for election duties and such occasions when the local police forces don't have adequate numbers. Riot control, election duties are their main function, and they also fight insurgents, because to us it is a mere law and order problem, to be sorted out by the policemen, not the army with tanks and fighter jets.

In your country the police, paramilitaries, militaries are all getting whipped by insurgents, so I guess yo can't understand the difference in magnitude.

i have answered this already.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

CRPF is a special force of yr armed forces just like we have SFs for FC and Police as well. But we have never heard them to be so incompetent.

Definition of Special Forces>>>

Special forces, or special operations forces are military units highly trained to perform unconventional, often high-risk missions. Special forces, as they would now be recognised, emerged in the early 20th century, with a significant growth in the field during the Second World War.

Source:- Special forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the very same article lets see what it says about India>>>

Modern special forces
India
Main article: Special Forces of India
Special Forces of India include the MARCOS, Special Frontier Force, Garud Commando Force, National Security Guards and Para Commandos (India). All these Forces have been constantly active since the past decade operating against counter insurgents and terrorists. The NSG backed up by the MARCOS successfully neutralised all the gunmen in the 2008 Mumbai Attacks. ThePara Commandos (India) and MARCOS also saw success during Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 and Kargil War. They excelled covert operations in IPKF in Sri Lanka against LTTE during 1987-89.

Source:- Special forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here are the special forces of India>>>

Special Forces of India
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. Please improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (February 2013)
The Special Forces of India are Indian Military units with specialised training in the field of special operations.



Contents
[hide]

• 1 List of Indian Special Operations Forces
  • 1.1 Para Commandos
  • 1.2 Special Frontier Force
  • 1.3 Ghatak Force
  • 1.4 Force One
  • 1.5 Marine Commandos
  • 1.6 Garud Commando Force
  • 1.7 51 Special Action Group, National Security Guards
  • 1.8 Special Protection Group
  • 1.9 COBRA
• 2 Equipment
• 3 Support Weapons
• 4 Upgrades after 26/11 2008 Mumbai attacks
• 5 Transport
• 6 Historic Special Forces
  • 6.1 Chindits
  • 6.2 Books
• 7 External links

List of Indian Special Operations Forces[edit]
Para Commandos[edit]
Main article: Para Commandos (India)
Special Frontier Force[edit]
Main article: Special Frontier Force
Ghatak Force[edit]
Main article: Ghatak Force
Force One[edit]
Main article: Force One
Marine Commandos[edit]
Main article: MARCOS (India)
Garud Commando Force[edit]
Main article: Garud Commando Force
Garud is a special commando force of Indian defence services which is responsible for operating special tasks.

51 Special Action Group, National Security Guards[edit]
Main article: National Security Guards
Special Protection Group[edit]
Main article: Special Protection Group
COBRA[edit]
Main article: Commando Battalion for Resolute Action
Special Forces of the Paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force

Equipment[edit]


Indian Army Elite 9 Para Commandoswith IMI Tavor TAR-21
Some of the equipment for the special forces are manufactured indigenously by the Indian Ordnance Factories controlled by the Ordnance Factories Board, Ministry of Defence, Government of India while others are procured from foreign sources.

• Browning Hi-Power 9mm Semi-automatic pistol
• Glock 17 9mm Semi-automatic Pistol
• Glock 19 9mm Semi-automatic Pistol
• Glock 26 9mm Semi-automatic Pistol
• SIG P226 9mm Semi-automatic Pistol
• 1A SMG 9mm Sub-machine gun
• Heckler & Koch M-512 12 Gauge Shotgun
• UZI 9mm Sub-machine gun
• Heckler & Koch MP5 A3,A5 and SD3 SD4 SD6 and K-Navy 9mm Submachine Gun
• AKM 7.62x39mm Assault Rifle
• INSAS 5.56mm NATO Assault Rifle
• M4 Carbine 5.56mm US Assault Rifle
• 1A SLR 7.62mm NATO Battle rifle
• Colt M16A4 5.56mm NATO Assault rifle
• Colt M4A1 5.56 mm NATO Carbine
• AK-47 7.62x39mm Assault Rifle
• AK-101 5.56mm NATO Assault Rifle
• AK-103 7.62x39mm Assault Rifle
• AKS-74U 5.45x39mm Assault Rifle
• Smith & Wesson M&P
• Brügger & Thomet MP9
• Barrett M107
• Beretta ARX 160
• Modern Sub Machine Carbine MINSAS
• Bushmaster M4A3
• SIG SG 551 5.56mm NATO Assault Rifle
• SIG SG 553 5.56mm NATO Assault Rifle
• T91 assault rifle Assault Rifle
• IMI Tavor TAR-21 5.56mm NATO Assault Rifle
• IMI Galil 7.62mm NATO Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifle
• Dragunov SVD 7.62x54R Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifle
• Mauser SP66 7.62mm NATO Bolt-Action Sniper Rifle
• SIG SSG-3000 7.62mm NATO Bolt-Action Sniper Rifle
• Heckler & Koch MSG-90 7.62mm NATO Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifle
• Heckler & Koch PSG1 7.62mm NATO Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifle
• OSV-96 12.7x108mm Anti-Material Rifle
• Vidhwansak anti-materiel rifle
• Denel NTW-20 anti-materiel rifle
• Gepard GM6 Lynx Anti-Material Rifle
• FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm Semi-automatic pistol
• FN P90 5.7x28mm Personal defence weapon
• FN F2000 5.56mm NATO Assault Rifle
• GP-25 40mm Grenade Launcher
• M203 grenade launcher 40mm Grenade Launcher
• AGS-17 30mm automatic grenade launcher
• GM-94 Pump-Action Grenade Launcher
• CornerShotGun
• RPG-7 Rocket Launcher
• M72 LAW Anti Tank Weapons
• Franchi SPAS-1212 Gauge Shotgun
• APS underwater assault rifle
• SPP-1 underwater pistol
• Crossbow With Cyanide Tipped Arrow

Support Weapons[edit]

• IMI Negev Light machine gun
• PK machine gun General purpose machine gun
• FN MAG 7.62 mm General purpose machine gun
• GP-25 40mm Grenade Launcher
• M203 40mm Grenade launcher
• AGS-17 Automatic grenade launchers
• Carl Gustav recoilless rifle RCL Mk III 84mm Recoilless rifle
• B-300 IMI Shipon anti tank weapon
• 9K38 Igla MANPADS

Upgrades after 26/11 2008 Mumbai attacks[edit]

• CornerShot guns
• Laser target designator
• Advance audio communication set
• Spy cameras
• GPS,GPRS technological systems
• Wall surveillance radars
• Night vision devices
• Protective goggles
• Special tactical gear
• Thermal imaging equipment & infrared cameras
• Mini remotely operated vehicles & mini UAV drones
• Non skid shoes
• Ghillie suits
• Helmet with in built hands free communication
• Level 3 bullet-proof vest
• Knee pad and elbow pads
• SIG-SG 553
• Tasers
• Advanced radars & jammers
• Electromagnetic equipment
• Audio & video recording equipment
• Radio frequency tracking equipment
• Chartered helicopters and ability to use civilian aircraft for emergencies
• Anti-Materiel Rifles like the OFB produced Vidhwansak and possibly the Russian made OSV-96.

Soldiers wear standard issue camouflage and body Armour and also procuring lighter body armour with personal communication sets, and also the Commando patch on their shoulder once they have finished their training. Depending on the mission, they may carry other items like ropes, climbing gear, grenades, rocket launchers, radio frequency locator, electro-optical equipment, Laser Range Finders, advanced spectrum or spectroscopic equipment and various types of mission and terrain specific equipment.

Transport[edit]

• C-130J Super Hercules – transport aircraft
• SH-3 Sea King – transport helicopter
• HAL Chetak – utility helicopter
• HAL Dhruv – utility helicopter
• Cosmos CE-2F X100 two-man submarines
• All Terrain Vehicles (ATVs) & hovercrafts
• Mahindra Marksman

Source:- Special Forces of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no mention of CRPF in the list! IT IS NOT A SPECIAL FORCE damn it!
Again, do refer to the basics of the subject before you plan to troll on it!

You might have Elite Police Branches in your respective Police Departments but India does not have any such practice!

Elite Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't let me doubt your comprehension skills! I am quoting from your sources only!

 

[IND151]

Actually its a classical case of proving anything by statistics.. This fact is due to reduction in the fatalities in J&K etc and not the other way around

If you see below, the fatalities due to left wing extremism have remain more of less same since 2005, and have shown a slight increase till 2010 and decrease post that

On the other hand, in J&K the count has decreased by over 90% between 2005 and 2013..

Trust indian media to put a negative spin on this

Thanks for info

 

[janon]

i have answered this already.

There is nothing there to answer, but lots to read and learn.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

No, it isn't. The term 'armed forces' is almost exclusively used for the military, and maybe for paramilitaries, but not for police forces.

Armed forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, since your attempts at trolling ended with such a spectacular expose of your own ignorance, I suggest you take the time to read and learn a few things. There is no shame in that. It is never too late to do that.

would u like to study it by yrself?

''The armed forces of a country are its government-sponsored defence, fighting forces, and organizations. They exist to further the foreign and domestic policies of their governing body and to defend that body and the nation it represents from external and internal aggressors. In broad usage, the terms "armed forces" and "military" are often treated synonymously, although in technical usage a distinction is sometimes made in which a country's armed forces may include both its military and other paramilitary forces. Armed force is the use of armed forces to achieve political objectives.

The study of the use of armed forces is called military science. Broadly speaking, this involves considering offense and defense at three "levels":strategy, operational art, and tactics. All three levels study the application of the use of force in order to achieve a desired objective.''

it doesnt mentions police specifically but it rather defines the roles of the ''armed forces'' Now if u the trouble to reading the page abr CRPF it also defines its roles as same!

So in the end even yr own sources prove me right.

There is nothing there to answer, but lots to read and learn.

post#37

 

[IndoUS]

There is nothing there to answer, but lots to read and learn.

Mate he is confused, in their country they use military to take care of internal threats, case and point being them shelling the insurgents in their tribal areas. so for them everything is military.

 

[janon]

would u like to study it by yrself?

''The armed forces of a country are its government-sponsored defence, fighting forces, and organizations. They exist to further the foreign and domestic policies of their governing body and to defend that body and the nation it represents from external and internal aggressors. In broad usage, the terms "armed forces" and "military" are often treated synonymously, although in technical usage a distinction is sometimes made in which a country's armed forces may include both its military and other paramilitary forces. Armed force is the use of armed forces to achieve political objectives.

The study of the use of armed forces is called military science. Broadly speaking, this involves considering offense and defense at three "levels":strategy, operational art, and tactics. All three levels study the application of the use of force in order to achieve a desired objective.''

it doesnt mentions police specifically but it rather defines the roles of the ''armed forces'' Now if u the trouble to reading the page abr CRPF it also defines its roles as same!

So in the end even yr own sources prove me right.


post#37

None so ignorant as they who refuse to learn. Your ignorant comment was that armed forces also includes police. But as you can see, there is no mention of police forces on that page, or indeed in any article about armed forces. It is a term that is reserved for the military and paramilitaries. You can also find links on that page to countries without armed forces, although they all have police forces.

The CRPF is a police force. It is not even considered a paramilitary force, since 2009. The name itself should be a give away.

And no, they are not the special force of a reserve police as you earlier said.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

There is nothing there to answer, but lots to read and learn.

Leave that troll - he lacks basic comprehension skills - I am quoting from the sources he provided in his argument only but still he is not getting it! He is himself confused!

Actually the Punjab Police in Pakistan has a SF branch known as Elite Police and he thinks that it applies to India as well!

Elite Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[IND151]

if thats true then i think there r big issue within yr management staff or the bureaucrats who make such decisions. Their roles as per wikipedia r same as our SFs operating in KP. Maybe thats why we dont hear this abt our armed forces.

First, you don't know what is Special Forces and you continue to rant.

Special forces, or special operations forces are military units highly trained to perform unconventional, often high-risk missions. Special forces, as they would now be recognised, emerged in the early 20th century, with a significant growth in the field during the Second World War.

It came into existence as the Crown Representative's Police on 27 July 1939. After Indian Independence, it became the Central Reserve Police Force on enactment of the CRPF Act on 28 December 1949.

Besides Law and Order and counter-insurgency duties, the role of CRPF in the General Elections, held repeatedly during the past few years, has been very significant and vital. This is especially true for the trouble-ridden states of J&K, Bihar and in the North East. During the Parliamentary elections of September 1999, the CRPF played a major role in the security arrangements. Of late, CRPF contingents are also being deployed in UN missions.

With 228 battalions[2] and various other establishments, the CRPF is considered India's largest paramilitary force .[3]