Ex-MI6 Boss Warns West Not To Insult Islam

[RescueRanger]

If someone punches you, punch them. Keep the response proportional. If a Hindu/Christian insults Islam you can insult them. Have cartoons etc. You don't kill them as that is not proportional.

And for Islam to act wounded is quite hypocritical. Were you respecting Hindus when you destroyed their temples? Islamic Destruction of Hindu Temples A proportional response by the Hindus should be to destroy Mecca. Are you game for that buddy?

Were you respecting Islam when you destroyed the Babari Mosque? Spare us your lectures!

 

[k_arura]

Were you respecting Islam when you destroyed the Babari Mosque? Spare us your lectures!

What a lame and dumb answer? IOW if I hit you in the head and you respond then my defense is that you hit me in response!!!! So I decided to hit you in the 1st place. What a dumbo?

 

[That Guy]

Don't you think his and the Pope's statement - " Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked" is rather Insulting to Islam itself?

Except neither said anything to this affect.

By the way, I still don't trust your claim of being a former US state department rep.

 

[RescueRanger]

IOW if I hit you in the head
What a dumbo?

So now you resort to "Insults"? @Horus @waz

 

[Zarvan]

Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked, suggests ex-MI6 boss as he agrees with the Pope's Charlie Hebdo comments.

By Alistair Bunkall, Defence Correspondent

The former chief of MI6 has warned that anyone insulting Islam can expect to provoke a reaction and that "there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John Sawers was delivering his first speech since leaving office. He stepped down as 'C' in November 2014 after five years at the helm of the Secret Intelligence Service.

Sir John picked up on comments made by the Pope in reference to the provocative cartoons published in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, where 12 were killed in a terror attack. Al Qaeda said the attacks were revenge for the depiction of Mohammed.

Pope Francis told crowds in The Philippines that a friend who had cursed his mother could "expect a punch" in return.

Sir John said: "There is a requirement for restraint from those of us in the West.

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"I rather agree with the Pope that, of course, the attacks in Paris were completely unacceptable and cannot be justified on any basis whatsoever, but I think respect for other people's religion is also an important part of this.

"If you show disrespect for others' core values then you are going to provoke an angry response. That doesn't justify anything, but I think we just need to bear it in mind."

Sir John praised the work of the intelligence and security agencies but reiterated the threat to the UK from terrorists: "If I was to sit here and say will the goalkeepers of the security services and the police keep every single attempt to get the ball into the net, out? No. At some point these threats will get through and there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John said there cannot be any "no-go areas" either in the physical or virtual world and said there cannot be a trade-off between security and privacy.

"If the technology companies allow to be developed, areas that are simply impenetrable, you're inviting problems," he warned.

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Finally some sane voice from west, and for Muslims Islam is more beloved to us than our own parents and even lives so if west thinks they will insult Islam and get away with it than its time they wake up

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Except neither said anything to this affect.

By the way, I still don't trust your claim of being a former US state department rep.

I don't mind you not trusting my claim

 

[That Guy]

I don't mind you not trusting my claim

I know you don't. Just don't pretend your words carry any weight around here because of your claim.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Finally some sane voice from west, and for Muslims Islam is more beloved to us than our own parents and even lives so if west thinks they will insult Islam and get away with it than its time they wake up

Do you consider yourself a Muslim following Islam to the letter that you expect of others?

I know you don't. Just don't pretend your words carry any weight around here because of your claim.

How does one pretend that it carries weight on a forum? You seem to be perturbed about my status more than I will ever give a thought to it.

 

[That Guy]

How does one pretend that it carries weight on a forum? You seem to be perturbed about my status more than I will ever give a thought to it.

Really? You're going to use this logic? See, you can try and play these games, but we both know the truth. What you want is some sort of status, to be acknowledge as being relevant, otherwise (if your claim is true), you would have kept quiet about your status, and simply made a nondescript account like any other.

I have a problem with you, as people seem to be taking your word to heart precisely because of your claim. One of the few things I cannot stand is when someone deliberately misleads another.

 

[Orakzai]

Wait a minute- Can I be honest with you. This is where you lose us westerners. With open hearts we allow you to come into our countries to study. As you said we have far better educational systems than other countries or else you would have been at some Islamic university in the M.E ( they have some good universities too, while being culturally more aligned to you). What do you do in return for the gratitude we have shown, in your case Australia has shown?

You spread complete B.S about the freedom of speech in our western cultures by saying, quote " that freedom of speech drama you guys play against muslims say some shit about anti semitism and you'll find your *** in the jail that is how sacred and protected antisemitism."

This has to be two way not just a one way street of feigned outrage. People on the other side are equally passionate about their freedoms.

So I gently say to you - You wanna be among us, then accept how we are. You want to be among us, then don't try to make us into the vision of your home country and culture. Finally, you want to be among us, please don't spread lies about our freedoms. IF not, don't step into our house.



You are not getting it obviously. This has nothing to do with 'my' media or any PM's statement. Have a nice day.

so did i say it wrong that saying shit about antisemitism can put you in jail????
do you know there are laws which prevent you from it???
i told you earlier i respect the country i am in right now, it does not mean i would agree to each and every thing that happens here, i have a right to not to agree to something i don't think is right and that comment was specifically for those who support abusive cartoons.
plus to be honest i chose Australia over US or UK is exactly because of the same reason that every time you disagree with them( US & UK) they taunt you with " ooh if you don't like this then go back to your country" even to those who are US citizens but from asian of ME background.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Really? You're going to use this logic? See, you can try and play these games, but we both know the truth. What you want is some sort of status, to be acknowledge as being relevant, otherwise (if your claim is true), you would have kept quiet about your status, and simply made a nondescript account like any other.

I have a problem with you, as people seem to be taking your word to heart precisely because of your claim. The one of the few things I cannot stand is when someone deliberately misleads another.

I want a status here? dear man it is you having a meltdown about me. Every so often you come around and start off about my background. I'm secure in me/myself/ and I and my credentials .

I'm merely a spectator who is watching you getting all stressed all over poor me. I'm sorry I'm causing you any heartache. But I can't do anything to ease your pain. You will just have to live with that emotional scar.

so did i say it wrong that saying shit about antisemitism can put you in jail????
do you know there are laws which prevent you from it???
i told you earlier i respect the country i am in right now, it does not mean i would agree to each and every thing that happens here, i have a right to not to agree to something i don't think is right and that comment was specifically for those who support abusive cartoons.
plus to be honest i chose Australia over US or UK is exactly because of the same reason that every time you disagree with them( US & UK) they taunt you with " ooh if you don't like this then go back to your country" even to those who are US citizens but from asian of ME background.

Show me a law where it says if you criticize Judaism in Australia they will throw you in jail like you claimed. You have a right to say what you are saying, spot on- in Australia. Your right is not being questioned, your falsehood is. BTW in your country they allow antisemitism, which is different than just criticism of Judaism and allow it for every religion- but Islam. Let's just stop with the lies please

 

[Orakzai]

If someone punches you, punch them. Keep the response proportional. If a Hindu/Christian insults Islam you can insult them. Have cartoons etc. You don't kill them as that is not proportional.

And for Islam to act wounded is quite hypocritical. Were you respecting Hindus when you destroyed their temples? Islamic Destruction of Hindu Temples A proportional response by the Hindus should be to destroy Mecca. Are you game for that buddy?

SO IT HAS TO BE PROPORTIONAL FOR YOU BUT FOR ME ITS USE OF FORCE???
IF I SAY SHIT ABOUT YOU AND YOU PUNCH ME IS THAT NOT A FORCE??
SERIOUSLY? IS THAT THE BEST YOU COULD COME UP WITH?
WHEN I DO NOT ABUSE YOUR RELIGION WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ABUSE MINE??? HOW ABOUT NO ABUSE TO ANY OF THE RELIGION OR ANYONE?
AND ABOUT DISTRUCTION OF TEMPLES THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MOSQUES BEING DESTROYED IN YOUR LOVELY INDIA TOO ONE EXAMPLE IS BABRI MOSQUE. FOR US THAT WAS LIKE A MAKKA TOO SHOULD WE DESTROY ALL YOUR TEMPLES NOW??? GOOD FOR THAT GAME TOO THEN?
YEAH WE SAW HOW GOOD YOU GUYS RESPONDED TO A VERY SENSIBLE MOVIE PK IN INDIA SO DONT GET ME STARTED WITH THESE THINGS WHEN HAPPENS AGAINST YOUR RELIGION.

 

[That Guy]

I want a status here? dear man it is you having a meltdown about me. Every so often you come around and start off about my background. I'm secure in whom I am and my credentials .

I'm merely a spectator who is watching you getting all stressed all over poor me. I'm sorry I'm causing you any heartache. But I can't do anything to ease your pain. You will just have to live with that emotional scar.

You silly little man, you think using this logic to try and upset me will work? We both know I'm right. Your obsession for fake internet points, and having people listen to your words is clear as day.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

You silly little man, you think using this logic to try and upset me will work? We both know I'm right. Your obsession for fake internet points, and having people listen to your words is clear as day.

Hmmm- It's obvious you are upset. Afterall it was you who came quoting me and crying about your " feelings" towards me.

Okay I won't reply to you anymore and upset you. There, go in peace now

 

[Orakzai]

I want a status here? dear man it is you having a meltdown about me. Every so often you come around and start off about my background. I'm secure in whom I am and my credentials .

I'm merely a spectator who is watching you getting all stressed all over poor me. I'm sorry I'm causing you any heartache. But I can't do anything to ease your pain. You will just have to live with that emotional scar.



Show me a law where it says if you criticize Judaism in Australia they will throw you in jail like you claimed. You have a right to say what you are saying, spot on- in Australia. Your right is not being questioned, your falsehood is. BTW in your country they allow antisemitism, which is different than just criticism of Judaism and allow it for every religion- but Islam. Let's just stop with the lies please

Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial ...

I GOT YOU THE DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM now tell me how is this different then islamophobia??
you draw cartoons against muslims OOH ITS FREEDOM OF SPEECH
you draw cartoons against judaism OOH THIS IS ANTISEMITISM arrest him.

and incase you forgot i said i chose AUS over US and UK which mean i dint find any of those laws here (i might be wrong but i dint see any).
now do you want me to show you laws of antisemitism in US and UK??