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Unless you eliminate the very ideology of using Islam for political gains, nothing's going to change.
Ex-ISI official Col Imam killed
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Unless you eliminate the very ideology of using Islam for political gains, nothing's going to change.
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in order to eliminate these militant elements, we need to cut off their supplies, and what better time to raid in aghhanistan and annihilate those who arm them....
the militants demanded ransom to get some weapons from india/american manufactures, a very common sense...
the militants demanded ransom to get some weapons from india/american manufactures, a very common sense...
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Islam for political gains only came into equation during Bhutto's last few years when he appeased the religious right.
Before that, no preceding GoP harnessed Islam to a dangerous extent, this is one reason why the Mullahs hated Jinnah.
So you are right but you have to look at the core issue of which sects are involved.
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do you know liaquat ali khan supported shariah, please read his quotes, was he a mullah too, dont be rediculous
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What happened cannot be undone now and Pakistanis must chart a new course for their nation and the day that happens, it will be good for both Pakistan and for India-Pakistan relations as well.
Pakistan needs a long period of stable democracy and lessen the influence of Army/ISI over the govt. in order to really pass on the power to the people.
Once true power comes to the people, most of your or rather 'our' issue will be solved since democracies tend to be less hostile towards each other than military juntas.
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so apna hi zahar kha gia....
jo wo itnay sara masoom pashtunon ko khila gaya tha...khwa wo bordr ka ji b trf tha....
as a human being , rip to deceased,,,
jo wo itnay sara masoom pashtunon ko khila gaya tha...khwa wo bordr ka ji b trf tha....
as a human being , rip to deceased,,,
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Objectives resolution is not the Sharia, don't be ridiculous, it was just an addition to the state of Pakistan which gave Islam priority in our state.
Ironically, it was passed after Jinnah passed away. Even though the resolution itself was written while he was alive.
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when did i bring objective resolution in here???, i said you should read direct quotes from liaquat ali khan, and he supported shariah,
u must know liaquat ali khan was appointed pm directly from quaid... and not your 5% liberal seekers???
quaid clearly objected to the ribbah system, or the interest banking, he said islamic economic systems must be implemented, go and read his quotes too please..
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Pakistan's Godfather of the Taliban dies
Former Pakistani intelligence agent Sultan Amir Tarar dies in captivity 10 months after being kidnapped by militants
Taliban commanders, including Hakimullah Mehsud, centre, in Waziristan in Pakistan's north-west tribal belt. Sultan Amir Tarar was kidnapped in Waziristan in March last year. Photograph: Ishtiaq Mahsud/AP
A retired Pakistani spy known as "the godfather of the Taliban" has died in captivity in Pakistan's north-western tribal belt, 10 months after he was kidnapped with a British journalist working for Channel 4.
Pakistani news channels reported that Sultan Amir Tarar, a legendary figure in the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency, had been killed by militants in Waziristan. The Taliban issued a statement saying he had died of a heart attack. An army spokesman could not confirm the reports. But a senior officer said that "all indicators are that this unfortunate incident took place".
Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the US, tweeted yesterday: "On Col (R) Amir Sultan Tarar aka Col Imam's death: Prayers for the departed and for the bereaved family."
Tarar was kidnapped in Waziristan in March 2010 alongside Asad Qureshi, a British journalist of Pakistani origin, and Khalid Khawaja, a former ISI official turned human rights activist. Qureshi was released last September, reportedly on payment of a ransom; Khawaja was killed by his captors in April.
Tarar's death marks the brutal demise of one of the most colourful and controversial figures in the shadowy world of spy games along the troubled borderlands between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Dressed in his trademark outfit of a tight, white turban and a shabby second-world war paratroop jacket, Tarar personified the complexities of Pakistan's multi-faceted policy towards militant Islam. Tarar trained in guerrilla warfare at an American special forces base in the 1970s and spent the next decade at the heart of Pakistan and America's covert war against Soviet forces occupying Afghanistan.
He ran a network of CIA-funded training camps in the tribal belt and Balochistan, which funnelled tens of thousands of mujahideen guerrillas into battle against the Soviets. He won the respect of his charges, mostly Pashtun refugees, by showing regard for their religious beliefs and tribal traditions. "They called me Imam after the man who leads the prayers in the mosque," he told the Guardian in 2006.
Among his students a young Afghan cleric named was Muhammad Omar, who emerged as head of the Afghan Taliban and seized power in Kabul in 1996. Tarar played a key role in that movement too.
Operating under diplomatic cover, Tarar was the ISI's point-man with the Taliban, nurturing a relationship in which Pakistan offered arms, advice and finance.
He developed a close personal relationship with Omar and, according to some reports, advised him as US forces attacked Afghanistan in late 2001.
Tarar later returned to Pakistan where he ostensibly slipped into retirement. He helped run a Saudi-funded orphanage near Islamabad and appeared sporadically on talkshows. But since 2006 some reports, usually sourced to western intelligence, have alleged that he continued to act as a liaison between the ISI and the Taliban.
Tarar denied the allegations but conceded that he maintained contact with the Taliban, describing himself as a "student of the insurgency". "They are a superior people with a superior culture," he told the Guardian last year. "I have my friends, the former mujahideen, who come to Peshawar and talk to me." The Taliban insurgency, he added, was only a natural reaction to American aggression. "They are the product of circumstances. They got sucked into it, there was no alternative."
In October 2006 the then president, Pervez Musharraf, said some retired ISI officers were supporting the Taliban, but declined to name them; in December 2008 reports suggested the US had sent Tarar and three other retired ISI officials' names to the UN security council for inclusion on a terrorist watchlist. But the manner of Tarar's death, and the inability or unwillingness of Pakistan's army to spring him to safety, suggest his links with the security apparatus may have been overestimated. It started last March when Tarar set off for Waziristan with Khawaja, also a veteran of the ISI's covert wars of the 1980s, and Qureshi, a British film-maker working for an independent film company with a commission from Channel Four. The job of the two former ISI men considering the prominent supporters of Pakistan's jihadi policies was to guide Qureshi into Waziristan and ensure access to some of Pakistan's most dangerous militants.
Khawaja had promised an interview with the Taliban leader, Hakimullah Mehsud. But the former spy had badly underestimated the perils. On the way to Waziristan he approached the veteran Peshawar-based journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai for an interview and advice. "I advised him not to go," said Yusufzai. "But he insisted. He said: 'No, I will make arrangements with these people. We want to highlight their cause and show that the drones are killing civilians.'"
But the plan went awry when Khawaja's host in Waziristan a militant commander known as Usman Punjabi kidnapped the group, and demanded $25m (£16m) ransom in the name of the previously unknown "Asian Tigers" group. In March and April Punjabi issued a series of ransom videos, emailed to media including the Guardian, featuring the three hostages. The most sinister concerned Khawaja, who was taped saying that he was, in fact an ISI and CIA agent who had betrayed extremists during the Red Mosque siege in Islamabad in 2007.
An audiotape later leaked to the Pakistani media suggested that the militant charges of treachery had been prompted by a conversation between Hamid Mir, a prominent Pakistani journalist, and one of the kidnappers. Mir denied the charge. Three weeks later Khawaja was found dead on the side of the road in North Waziristan.along with a note warning that other "American spies" would meet the same fate.
Qureshi had a happier fate. He was released in September, reportedly on payment of ransom by his family. But it had been a gruelling ordeal. His relatives said he had been kept in a 6ft cell, fed scraps of food, beaten and whipped. He saw Colonel Imam being subjected to a mock-execution.
British media did not publicise Qureshi's kidnapping until after his release at the request of Channel 4. As publicity drained away afterwards Tarar's son, a serving army officer, had scrambled to raise the ransom for his father's release. But the negotations had grown complex.Punjabi, the original kidnapper, had been killed in a shootout with a local tribal commander, and Tarar had passed into the hands of Hakimullah Mehsud's Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. The case was complicated by the fact that the Taliban were demanding the release of at least five prisoners, whom the army refused to give up.
But all came to naught today, as Pakistani media reported that Imam had died in captivity. One Pakistani news channel said the kidnappers were demanding £15,000 for the return of Tarar's body. Before being kidnapped last year Tarar became a firm advocate of peace negotiations with the Afghan Taliban, insisting that they could be separated from their al-Qaida allies an idea that is now gaining currency as a possible solution to the war.
He warned that American attempts to divide the Taliban by bribing commanders was doomed to failure. "Their strategy will not work," he said. "This carrot-and-stick strategy is going to backfire badly."
But the manner of the death of the "godfather of the Taliban" suggests that there were some thing he could not foresee and that even the powerful spy agency has very limited influence over the militants within their own borders.
Former Pakistani intelligence agent Sultan Amir Tarar dies in captivity 10 months after being kidnapped by militants
Taliban commanders, including Hakimullah Mehsud, centre, in Waziristan in Pakistan's north-west tribal belt. Sultan Amir Tarar was kidnapped in Waziristan in March last year. Photograph: Ishtiaq Mahsud/AP
A retired Pakistani spy known as "the godfather of the Taliban" has died in captivity in Pakistan's north-western tribal belt, 10 months after he was kidnapped with a British journalist working for Channel 4.
Pakistani news channels reported that Sultan Amir Tarar, a legendary figure in the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency, had been killed by militants in Waziristan. The Taliban issued a statement saying he had died of a heart attack. An army spokesman could not confirm the reports. But a senior officer said that "all indicators are that this unfortunate incident took place".
Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the US, tweeted yesterday: "On Col (R) Amir Sultan Tarar aka Col Imam's death: Prayers for the departed and for the bereaved family."
Tarar was kidnapped in Waziristan in March 2010 alongside Asad Qureshi, a British journalist of Pakistani origin, and Khalid Khawaja, a former ISI official turned human rights activist. Qureshi was released last September, reportedly on payment of a ransom; Khawaja was killed by his captors in April.
Tarar's death marks the brutal demise of one of the most colourful and controversial figures in the shadowy world of spy games along the troubled borderlands between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Dressed in his trademark outfit of a tight, white turban and a shabby second-world war paratroop jacket, Tarar personified the complexities of Pakistan's multi-faceted policy towards militant Islam. Tarar trained in guerrilla warfare at an American special forces base in the 1970s and spent the next decade at the heart of Pakistan and America's covert war against Soviet forces occupying Afghanistan.
He ran a network of CIA-funded training camps in the tribal belt and Balochistan, which funnelled tens of thousands of mujahideen guerrillas into battle against the Soviets. He won the respect of his charges, mostly Pashtun refugees, by showing regard for their religious beliefs and tribal traditions. "They called me Imam after the man who leads the prayers in the mosque," he told the Guardian in 2006.
Among his students a young Afghan cleric named was Muhammad Omar, who emerged as head of the Afghan Taliban and seized power in Kabul in 1996. Tarar played a key role in that movement too.
Operating under diplomatic cover, Tarar was the ISI's point-man with the Taliban, nurturing a relationship in which Pakistan offered arms, advice and finance.
He developed a close personal relationship with Omar and, according to some reports, advised him as US forces attacked Afghanistan in late 2001.
Tarar later returned to Pakistan where he ostensibly slipped into retirement. He helped run a Saudi-funded orphanage near Islamabad and appeared sporadically on talkshows. But since 2006 some reports, usually sourced to western intelligence, have alleged that he continued to act as a liaison between the ISI and the Taliban.
Tarar denied the allegations but conceded that he maintained contact with the Taliban, describing himself as a "student of the insurgency". "They are a superior people with a superior culture," he told the Guardian last year. "I have my friends, the former mujahideen, who come to Peshawar and talk to me." The Taliban insurgency, he added, was only a natural reaction to American aggression. "They are the product of circumstances. They got sucked into it, there was no alternative."
In October 2006 the then president, Pervez Musharraf, said some retired ISI officers were supporting the Taliban, but declined to name them; in December 2008 reports suggested the US had sent Tarar and three other retired ISI officials' names to the UN security council for inclusion on a terrorist watchlist. But the manner of Tarar's death, and the inability or unwillingness of Pakistan's army to spring him to safety, suggest his links with the security apparatus may have been overestimated. It started last March when Tarar set off for Waziristan with Khawaja, also a veteran of the ISI's covert wars of the 1980s, and Qureshi, a British film-maker working for an independent film company with a commission from Channel Four. The job of the two former ISI men considering the prominent supporters of Pakistan's jihadi policies was to guide Qureshi into Waziristan and ensure access to some of Pakistan's most dangerous militants.
Khawaja had promised an interview with the Taliban leader, Hakimullah Mehsud. But the former spy had badly underestimated the perils. On the way to Waziristan he approached the veteran Peshawar-based journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai for an interview and advice. "I advised him not to go," said Yusufzai. "But he insisted. He said: 'No, I will make arrangements with these people. We want to highlight their cause and show that the drones are killing civilians.'"
But the plan went awry when Khawaja's host in Waziristan a militant commander known as Usman Punjabi kidnapped the group, and demanded $25m (£16m) ransom in the name of the previously unknown "Asian Tigers" group. In March and April Punjabi issued a series of ransom videos, emailed to media including the Guardian, featuring the three hostages. The most sinister concerned Khawaja, who was taped saying that he was, in fact an ISI and CIA agent who had betrayed extremists during the Red Mosque siege in Islamabad in 2007.
An audiotape later leaked to the Pakistani media suggested that the militant charges of treachery had been prompted by a conversation between Hamid Mir, a prominent Pakistani journalist, and one of the kidnappers. Mir denied the charge. Three weeks later Khawaja was found dead on the side of the road in North Waziristan.along with a note warning that other "American spies" would meet the same fate.
Qureshi had a happier fate. He was released in September, reportedly on payment of ransom by his family. But it had been a gruelling ordeal. His relatives said he had been kept in a 6ft cell, fed scraps of food, beaten and whipped. He saw Colonel Imam being subjected to a mock-execution.
British media did not publicise Qureshi's kidnapping until after his release at the request of Channel 4. As publicity drained away afterwards Tarar's son, a serving army officer, had scrambled to raise the ransom for his father's release. But the negotations had grown complex.Punjabi, the original kidnapper, had been killed in a shootout with a local tribal commander, and Tarar had passed into the hands of Hakimullah Mehsud's Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. The case was complicated by the fact that the Taliban were demanding the release of at least five prisoners, whom the army refused to give up.
But all came to naught today, as Pakistani media reported that Imam had died in captivity. One Pakistani news channel said the kidnappers were demanding £15,000 for the return of Tarar's body. Before being kidnapped last year Tarar became a firm advocate of peace negotiations with the Afghan Taliban, insisting that they could be separated from their al-Qaida allies an idea that is now gaining currency as a possible solution to the war.
He warned that American attempts to divide the Taliban by bribing commanders was doomed to failure. "Their strategy will not work," he said. "This carrot-and-stick strategy is going to backfire badly."
But the manner of the death of the "godfather of the Taliban" suggests that there were some thing he could not foresee and that even the powerful spy agency has very limited influence over the militants within their own borders.
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The very fanatics he created resulted in the end of his life. I guess this is lesson enough for the people to see these people can be of no use, neither today nor in future. So don't consider them as assets they will come and bite you big time sooner or later...
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Please SHUT UP if you don't know the facts!
It was Afghan Mujahideen who were created by ISI and Col. Imam played the main role in it, Afghan Taliban today are fighting the illegal occupation as their elders fought in 80s..
The Pakistani Taliban, TTP who supposedly Martyred Col. Imam ARE NOT, I repeat, ARE NOT affiliated with Afghan Taliban in any case..
TTP is a Terrorist group created by RAW and some other Hostile Intel. Agencies to fulfill their evil objectives, TTP never fought in Afghanistan..
Afghan Taliban were trying hard to get Col. Imam released..
"According to reports, Mullah Omar, the reclusive Taliban mentor, himself had campaigned for the release of Col Imam. It was due to Mullah Omar’s intervention that the Taliban did not kill Col Imam for several months, a source close to the Taliban told The Express Tribune."
next time, before telling the same old Bharati stuff, read history and have some knowledge of Geopolitical issues..
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Dude, you're arguing with the wrong guy, believe me, he'll just waste your time..
@ T-Fraz : Can we discuss it sometime later? Is it compulsory to start the same debate again on this thread?
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