Ex-defense minister says IS ‘apologized’ to Israel for November clash

[Chhatrapati]

Keep breathing but don't talk! Zionist yehud and zionist hindus are the two faces of the same coin, no difference, no humanity and warmongering tigger happy shallow minded dajjal and shaytan worshipping low lives!

Please take care of this lad. @WAJsal

 

[Sharpshooter12]

I personally have not been able to figure out their identity
Sunni / Shia or None Arab or not ...

Wikipedia does not calls them Sunni Muslims

Sir majority of Kurds are Sunni Muslims and Kurds have produced some great names in the Islamic history, Salah ud din was a Kurd for example. Kurdish cavalry played an important role for Ottomans in their fight against Russians in WW1.

They are Sunnis but just like our Balochs they are more nationalist than religious, but it does not mean they are followers of any strange faith, you are probably confusing them with Yazidis.

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

When dog bite its own tail by mistake, "Sorry" is auto understood

 

[Solomon2]

How Times Of Israel Fed ISIS Is Israel Conspiracy Nonsense
By Brian of London
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April 26, 2017
It is a deeply ingrained in parts of the darker internet that Israel or Zionists along with neo-con Jews and other “deep state” Americans created ISIS or allowed it to come into being. The existence of these conspiracy theories is not hard to come across or follow.

A couple of days ago former Israeli Defence Minster, Moshe Ya’alon, participated in a 40-minute interview with Eli Levi (from Israeli TV’s Channel 10) at a cultural event in Afula. Out of this long interview the increasingly left-wing WordPress blog, Times of Israel, pulled the following:

Ex-defense minister says IS ‘apologized’ to Israel for November clash

Moshe Ya’alon’s office refuses to elaborate after alluding to contact with terror group

Former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon on Saturday said the Islamic State terrorist group in the Syrian Golan Heights “apologized” for attacking an Israeli unit.

“There was one case recently where Daesh opened fire and apologized,” Ya’alon said, using the terror group’s Arabic nickname.​

This was not picked up by any significant news site in Israel because, frankly, it’s not nearly as explosive as ToI’s correspondent has painted here (including the conspiratorial “refused to elaborate” lede). Also note Ya’alon left office in May 2016, well before this incident occurred.

ToI tried to make this “apology” out as some sort of illicit communication between someone in Israel and a terrorist organisation. It would appear their entire post was a vehicle for this single paragraph with which to attack Netanyahu’s government (a favourite pastime for them):

Israel and much of the Western world considers the Islamic State affiliate in the Syrian Golan Heights, known as the Khalid ibn al-Walid Army, to be a terrorist group. Communication with them is technically illegal under Israeli law, constituting contact with an enemy agent.​

Here is Dickie Silverstein’s translation (yes I’m using him as a source deliberately) of the part of the conversation that ToI has built their entire blog post around:

…Within Syria there are many factions: the regime, Iran, the Russians, and even al-Qaeda and ISIS. In such circumstances, one must develop a responsible, carefully-balanced policy by which you protect your own interests on the one hand, and on the other hand you don’t intervene. Because if Israel does intervene on behalf of one side, it will serve the interests of the other; which is why we’ve established red lines. Anyone who violates our sovereignty will immediately feel the full weight of our power. On most occasions, firing comes from regions under the control of the regime. But once the firing came from ISIS positions–and it immediately apologized.​

Of course the ever unreliable Dickie follows that quote with this gem:

The attack he refers to was never reported in Israeli media. Either the information was placed under gag order or under military censorship.​

Which is a bit odd because it doesn’t take much work to find that the one and only time ISIS were responsible for shooting at the Israeli Defence Forces, it was widely reported everywhere both within Israel and abroad:



The Ha’aretz version begins:

A number of ISIS fighters were killed after exchanging fire in the first direct clashes between Israel and the Islamic State on Sunday in the southern Golan Heights. In the incident, the Shuhada al-Yarmouk organization, which has pledged allegiance to ISIS, exchanged fire with Israeli forces. No soldiers were wounded.

Several mortar shells exploded following a brief exchange with the IDF’s Golani Brigade before Israeli air forces spotted a car armed with a heavy machine gun. The aerial vehicle bombed the car and it appeared as if its four occupants were killed.​

From which we can reasonably infer that the Israeli Air Force took out a Toyota pickup truck like one of these:



So what exactly does it mean that ISIS “apologised” for Israel destroying their pickup truck?

Lets review what happened. Some Islamic State fighters either deliberately (because they saw some Jews) or accidentally sent a few rounds in the direction of Israel.

Israel is not interested in backing one side or the other in Syria but if anything lands on our side we shoot back immediately. I’m making an educated assumption here but this is not even a decision which gets very high up the command chain: Israeli forces on the ground are fully empowered to fire back at anything or anyone dumb enough to engage.

Islamic State shot at Israel, caused no damage whatsoever and in return suffered at least four fatalities and more than paintwork damage to one of their finest mechanised fighting machines. And then THEY apologised to Israel for shooting at us in the first place: it might even have been a non-verbal apology. Just the mere fact that they took their well deserved beating and slunk off the battlefield promising not to prick us again is an apology. Speculating again: they may also have sent some message via a semi-public Telegram account as they are known to do with claims of responsibility.

This is the only reasonable reading of Ya’alon’s off the cuff remark and that is further confirmed by the fact that the rest of the rabidly anti-Netanyahu Israel press completely failed to make a big deal out of this. Only the bit player Times of Israel journalist thought fit to write this up into a big deal.

But of course, as usual, this became yet another solid piece of “evidence” for the popular conspiracy theories that Israel created and maintains ISIS and that the apology was delivered in person by Islamic State Mossad operatives at their weekly board meeting.

Russia Today RT.

Tel Aviv remains so “neutral” in the Syrian conflict that even Islamic State terrorists have on at least one occasion “apologized” to Israel for mistakenly attacking IDF soldiers in the occupied Golan Heights, according to a former Israeli Defense Minister.​

Information Liberation (the site which also quoted the Dickie Silverstein paragraph I had above):

This is an absolutely stunning admission as it appears to confirm the “conspiracy theory” that Israel is working together with radical ISIS terrorists to overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

Last year, Efraim Inbar, the director of the powerful Israeli think tank named the “Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies,” said ISIS “can be a useful tool in undermining” Iran, Hezbollah, Syria and Russia.

Moshe Ya’alon’s comments demand a thorough investigation. Unfortunately, a search of Google News shows the The Times of Israel’s story is being almost completely ignored with only RT and The Independent picking up.​

Also note that last paragraph: instead of realising that the reason no other Israeli sites ran this story (and ONLY RT and the always anti-Israel Independent internationally) is because it’s complete codswallop. However, the conspiracy loving sites take that as evidence it’s been suppressed!

And countless other alt-right and conspiratorial sites and YouTube channels went off into excited overdrive having been furnished with this great ammunition by Times of Israel’s wilful inability to correctly read Ya’alon’s typical Israeli military braggadocio.

This is just one of many we have parked up on the Golan Heights facing Syria:



I can categorically assure you that Islamic State’s Toyota pickups do not represent a strategic threat of invasion to Israel. That tank, by the way, is fitted with its own personal form of Iron Dome: even a rocket-propelled grenade would be shot out of the air before it got to the tank. In the skies above we have, probably, the best air force in the world.

ISIS are an ideological threat within our borders, but seeing as they’re just following the same Islamic playbook as Hamas and Fatah terroists already within our borders, they just represent another trademark or logo of the same relentless Islamic Jihad we’ve always faced.

Having said all that, as we saw again just this week, if stray mortars or artillery shells land on our side of the border, no matter who shot them, Assad or ISIS or anyone else, we fire back immediately.

Well done Times of Israel, well done.


I know which one of these two I’d bet on.

 

[Solomon2]

this is a lie, Israel would like nothing more than to depose Assad. Israel is also in bed with the stinking saudis -

So the nasty implications about Israel controlling ISIS are refuted but now you want to bring up other issues? Start a new thread or post in a relevant existing thread.

 

[HAIDER]

When dog bite its own tail by mistake, "Sorry" is auto understood

lol..................good one.
Isreal is using ISIS as deterrence against Hizbo/Asad/Iran/Russia.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Israel is one nu sense this world needs to put back into the box

Israel is the only country in the region that has access to Sarin Gas. India is the country that has provided the Chemicals needed to develop Sarin Gas. World has become blind.

Which world sir

 

[Michael Corleone]

not surprising when they gave birth to IS.

 

[kris]

Israel is one nu sense this world needs to put back into the box

Israel is the only country in the region that has access to Sarin Gas. India is the country that has provided the Chemicals needed to develop Sarin Gas. World has become blind.

Where did you get this info??

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

lol..................good one.
Isreal is using ISIS as deterrence against Hizbo/Asad/Iran/Russia.

But ISIS never attacked Iran, i have high doubts on role of Iran in all this mess, can be double game, as the patterns shows.

And just a reminder mullah mansoor of Taliban , which was killed in Quetta by US drone was coming from Iran after 2 months stay, and even kulbashan acquired the Irani passport, so yes Iran is playing the game of bluff very well.

 

[HAIDER]

But ISIS never attacked Iran, i have high doubts on role of Iran in all this mess, can be double game, as the patterns shows.

And just a reminder mullah mansoor of Taliban , which was killed in Quetta by US drone was coming from Iran after 2 months stay, and even kulbashan acquired the Irani passport, so yes Iran is playing the game of bluff very well.

I think ISIS is not army, second Jandullah/ISIS/Alqaida same shitz different name and they attacked Iranian guard. Plus as far as Mullah Mansoor, when he got killed , Pak Army and govt both were very angry. He also had Pak passport and id card and free traveling Afghanistan/Iran/Dubai ... these are very complicated stories, which beyond limited knowledge ..

 

[Divergent]

Isis fighters ‘attacked Israel Defense Forces unit, then apologised' claims former commander

Isis-affiliated fighters “apologised” after launching an attack on Israeli soldiers, the country’s former defence minister has claimed.

Moshe Ya’alon was reportedly referring to an incident when a group linked to Isis in the Syrian Golan Heights exchanged fire with Israeli forces last November.

After a short gun battle, the Israeli military attacked Syrian jihadist group Khalid ibn al-Walid with airstrikes and tank fire, killing four of them, The Times of Israel reports.

This was the first direct clash between Israeli forces and Isis militants after the terror group opened fire on a military patrol on the Israeli side, a military spokesman said at the time.

A spokesperson for Mr Ya’alon refused to elaborate on how Isis expressed its apology to Israel after the attack and the Israel Defence Forces also refused to comment.

According to the first Western journalists, who have entered Isis' territories and survived, Israel is the only country in the world the Islamic group fears because it believes its army is too strong to face.

Israel has adopted a largely non-interventionist position regarding the complicated conflict on its doorstep, although it has retaliated on occasions when conflict has spilled over into territory it controls.


Source: The Independent
Writer: Chloe Farand

 

[Divergent]

Hint: Pay close attention to the Bold parts.

 

[The Accountant]

Hint: Pay close attention to the Bold parts.

Its nothing new ... However, the actual reason of fear is a dog always fear from his master ...

 

[Divergent]

I only found about this news through The Independent today which was posted 5hrs ago.

@BHarwana you beat me to it and my thread got merged

Its nothing new ... However, the actual reason of fear is a dog always fear from his master ...

Russia says Israel and ISIS are allies.