Ex-army Major, Colonel involved in robbery of millions’

[Psychic]

Thanks for the correction. I meant General Yahya.

There is a "paiti bhai" syndrome in both police and military. They try to bail out their own men. Those who fight are heroes but those who are involved in criminal activities must be punished. Punishing them will be benificial for the morale of the army as well because public will welcome justice served in their own courts against their own personel.

 

[syedali73]

There is a "paiti bhai" syndrome in both police and military. They try to bail out their own men. Those who fight are heroes but those who are involved in criminal activities must be punished. Punishing them will be benificial for the morale of the army as well because public will welcome justice served in their own courts against their own personel.

When I was a student, I used to travel between Quetta and Karachi via bus. I am an eye witness (repeat eye witness) of Pakistan Coast Guard's corruption, for back in those days they were stationed near Hub on the highway. I have never heard that any of those officers/jawan ever go punished, while just about everybody who used to travel on that route knew it.

 

[Psychic]

When I was a student, I used to travel between Quetta and Karachi via bus. I am an eye witness (repeat eye witness) of Pakistan Coast Guard's corruption, for back in those days they were stationed near Hub on the higway. I have never heard that any of those officers/jawan ever go punished, while just about everybody who used to travel on that route knew it.

That is why this country is called Pakistan. Some of the military guys are way too proud and arrogant which is unacceptable. They should love us instead of looking down at us. But still there are some good guys both in military and police even some of our maj gen level officers became martyred because they left the luxuries of HQ to lead from the front. My point was that a criminal is a criminal and should be looked as an individual.

 

[Icarus]

Yes, they can be, especially if Army wants to protect them, they can be asked to put on uniforms just like Kiyani did with the 3 ex-Generals (Lt General Khalid Munir, Lt General Afzal Muzaffar and Major General Zaheer Akhtar) involved in the NLC scam somewhere back in Sept 2012. Did anybody hear what happened to them? Well nobody will ever hear anything about them for that is how 'peti band bhai' are protected. But these two are relatively low -ranked officers so I am not sure if Army will intervene to bail them out.

Your assessment of the circumstances between these two situations is completely flawed. The reason these generals were tried in uniform is because the allegations made were from a period when they were in service and were a part of a military-associated body whereas the Maj and Col have engaged in criminal activity after retirement and their actions have not involved any branch of the military, thus they are to be constitutionally tried in a civilian court.

 

[syedali73]

Your assessment of the circumstances between these two situations is completely flawed. The reason these generals were tried in uniform is because the allegations made were from a period when they were in service and were a part of a military-associated body whereas the Maj and Col have engaged in criminal activity after retirement and their actions have not involved any branch of the military, thus they are to be constitutionally tried in a civilian court.

Yes, I missed that point. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Shouldnt they just be hung? Coz they knew the procedure, the law and they swore to protect it ...The oath doesnt break after retirement...Like a policeman who does bad gets a more severe punishment coz he was aware of a crime and the law hence retired people should be sent a msg that it doesnt mean they can mess around! 70 million isnt few pennies....

If the law hangs them for corruption, then they should be hung.

 

[salarsikander]

What you read? Yahya, Rao Farman Ali, Tikka, all those Generals who were recommended to be court martialed in the Hamood-ur-Rahman Commission report got honorable retirements and received dignified military funeral with full honors upon their deaths. Yes, those who were recommended to be tried, stripped off their ranks, and discharged from military dishonorably. You know nothing about Pakistan, its history, role of Army, nothing. You are a delusional TTP apologist who is now trying to fool us by advocating Army.

Hi,

The hypocrisy of so called defenders of Islam is just disgusting and deplorable

 

[Dubious]

If the law hangs them for corruption, then they should be hung.

I dont know what the bloody law states....It seems to let idiots (You name it of all class and breed - Rapist, bhatta khori been on the loose for too long, target killers, hired killers, Raymond whatever) out on the run while the minority seem to be easily prosecuted like tissue paper...

 

[Bratva]

Your assessment of the circumstances between these two situations is completely flawed. The reason these generals were tried in uniform is because the allegations made were from a period when they were in service and were a part of a military-associated body whereas the Maj and Col have engaged in criminal activity after retirement and their actions have not involved any branch of the military, thus they are to be constitutionally tried in a civilian court.

But both of these persons were working as civilian contractors for a military intelligence.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Why are people surprised? These are the filth that drain us and govern us. They are from the people and not descended from the heavens. It starts small and when people make a stand and stop giving rishwat and with Islamic punishment in place, these crimes will be history! But hey, ''Muslim''-Pakistan doesn't want Sharia because the crooks don't want to lose their right hand!

 

[Kambojaric]

Hopefully strict justice is given to provide a deterrent for the future. These guys will probably have powerful friends though to so lets see what happens.

 

[Icarus]

But both of these persons were working as civilian contractors for a military intelligence.

MI doesn't have civilian contractors, only serving officers. Might be a part of some other agency but if so, this casts a very negative light on our security apparatus and exemplary punishment will have to be meted out to ensure that the decorum of the military is not breached like this ever again.

Why are people surprised? These are the filth that drain us and govern us. They are from the people and not descended from the heavens. It starts small and when people make a stand and stop giving rishwat and with Islamic punishment in place, these crimes will be history! But hey, ''Muslim''-Pakistan doesn't want Sharia because the crooks don't want to lose their right hand!

Cutting their hand will not solve the problem, it will merely create fear what is important is to cultivate respect for one's position nation such that they can never think about breaching the trust bestowed upon them.

 

[MastanKhan]

MI doesn't have civilian contractors, only serving officers. Might be a part of some other agency but if so, this casts a very negative light on our security apparatus and exemplary punishment will have to be meted out to ensure that the decorum of the military is not breached like this ever again.



Cutting their hand will not solve the problem, it will merely create fear what is important is to cultivate respect for one's position nation such that they can never think about breaching the trust bestowed upon them.

Hi,

Cutting the hand will solve the immediate problem---there will e a massive drop in crime----.

When England was cutting hands of the criminals---did they have Sharia Law----No. You don't need sharia law to cut off the hand----.

 

[Icarus]

Hi,

Cutting the hand will solve the immediate problem---there will e a massive drop in crime----.

When England was cutting hands of the criminals---did they have Sharia Law----No. You don't need sharia law to cut off the had----.

Exactly my point sir, it will create deterrence through fear but that is not the way a healthy society deals with its problems. Change has to come from within, through respect for ideals and not fear of harsh punishment.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

it will merely create fear what is important is to cultivate respect for one's position nation such that they can never think about breaching the trust bestowed upon them.

Fear is what stops some people from committing crimes. If they do not fear Allah then, the punishment has to be met out and this will cut down on all kinds of crimes. Punishment is a deterrence! Unfortunately, we have crooks in power, so why would they bring in appropriate punishment and condemn themselves.

Hi,

Cutting the hand will solve the immediate problem---there will e a massive drop in crime----.

When England was cutting hands of the criminals---did they have Sharia Law----No. You don't need sharia law to cut off the had----.

Who said England doesn't have a theft problem? Check out how many £millions pounds businesses spend on security from shop lifters. The MPs are crooks, cheating in their expense claims, VAT fraud, etc, etc!

Sharia is the ONLY answer!