Evidence that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade"?

[gogbot]

You know lets consider this for a moment.
Your to primary pieces fo evidence are.

Geroge.W.Bush Junior. enough said, the man could never form a coherent statement.

Serial code numbers that reference to Bible versus.
How many guns have these numbers ?
These codes were all printed by one sub-contractor.

Is there a similar pastern involved in the Navy or the Air force. No

this shows this is a isolated incident by a religious nut job of a Contractor.

 

[Iggy]

I also think its a coincidence and some one who is hyping all these...Whats the purpose of using Bible versus in a gun?Next time what?Christian soldiers wearing cross in a war?this is just ridiculous infact there is no need to give attention to this crappy news..this is one of those rupee India kind of article ...

 

[karan.1970]

I think you are not reading what G W Bush is saying. Additionally, Crusading does not mean War Against Islam but it is a religious war for Christians against Anti-Christians. If WAR AGAINST TERROR is a holy war for Christians who are only targeting Muslims, one needs to have 3 months constipation and 300 glasses of bear not to think that its a Holy War of Christians raged on purpose against MUSLIMS. This tread is not the starting thread that leads to this conclusion, there are people in Muslim world who take it with this angle and Rightly So because USA only finds terrorism within Muslims so far. Amerian soldiers are already shown reading Bible and other religious scriptures to motimate themselves to fight in Afghanistan and If it is the case, WAT looses its spirit and rather becomes a war between Christianity + Zionism against Muslims.

US has gone to war with Al-Qaeda which is the most prominant(although not the only) terrorist organization in the world at this time. and is currently active in Muslim dominated countries.

Now if a christian is reading bible to get motivated, why is that wrong? Dont Muslims read Koran or Hindus Bagwad Gita?

How about terrorists' usage of the Jehad word.. Isnt that incorrect. I dont see many threads getting created against that (or have I missed them)

 

[faithfulguy]

I'm a Christian and I read the bible and if I serve in the US military, I'm still going to read the bible publicly. The US allow its service man religious freedom, even in Muslim countries. I would understand that it would be a problems for muslims if Koran is banned but bible is allowed. But US troops are allow to choose which ever religious text they want, be it Koran, Torah or bible.

 

[Thomas]

the company has been putting scripture on their scopes for decades. I fail to see how that is evidence of a crusade in the context of what the christian crusades were.

 

[Thomas]

I think you are not reading what G W Bush is saying. Additionally, Crusading does not mean War Against Islam but it is a religious war for Christians against Anti-Christians. If WAR AGAINST TERROR is a holy war for Christians who are only targeting Muslims, one needs to have 3 months constipation and 300 glasses of bear not to think that its a Holy War of Christians raged on purpose against MUSLIMS. This tread is not the starting thread that leads to this conclusion, there are people in Muslim world who take it with this angle and Rightly
So because USA only finds terrorism within Muslims so far. Amerian soldiers are already shown reading Bible and other religious scriptures to motimate themselves to fight in Afghanistan and If it is the case, WAT looses its spirit and rather becomes a war between Christianity + Zionism against Muslims.

Crusade also means "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm"

Also the war on terror is not about Christians fighting Muslims. Do not Muslims fight Muslims in the war on terror as well? And do not other Muslims fight that war with "zeal and enthusiasm"?

 

[Thomas]

^Do you want to see a big pictures, huh? PDF provides some valuable inputs in the past threads.

US is war on terror against Afghanistan & Iraq.....what does it tell you below? Pressure on Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia....etc.... Thousands Palestine dying during Gaza wars. Revealed Abu Ghraib tortures, Cuba Guantanamo Bay tortues, more prisoners...

< very tight securities and depending on world-wide billions Muslim races just because of one Nigerian guy.

plus Al Qaeda bunches, Sucide bombers, double agents, americans proxies, etc...

YES, it is war between Christians and Muslims these days.

There is no single REAL MUSLIMS fighting against Muslims (country to country)...

Americans here are damn brainwashed in busy with gfs, parties, hollywood movies, media, church per sunday, shopping, and other stuffs in US. Still they don't think 'War on terror' is about Islam and killing innocent peoples.

They don't care at all costs with their baseless attitudes and dramas.

Damn, it is almost 9 years since 2001, is there enough funded educations in your home? Disgusting..

I suppose you could look at it like that if you consider the Taliban and Al Qada not to be real Muslims.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Crusade also means "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm"

Also the war on terror is not about Christians fighting Muslims. Do not Muslims fight Muslims in the war on terror as well? And do not other Muslims fight that war with "zeal and enthusiasm"?

Crusades were the wars Christians waged against muslims in the era of HAZRAT SALAHUDIN AYUBI.And lost even with all the combined CHRISTIAN ARMIES FROM ROME TO ENGLAND.
If thats the ZEAL AND ENTHUSIASM ur soldiers are talkin inside them while going to war with MUSLIM countries that had nothing to do with SAUDI and EGYPTIAN hijakers or WMDs....

 

[Trisonics]

Let me share my experience with you all. It was a typical Friday night for me, was with friends at a bar, while I was waiting for my drink I noticed this guy in Army camouflage. We started exchanging pleasantries and he told me he was just back from Afghanistan, I sincerely praised his efforts and happened to say "Thanks for Killing all the Bad Guys". I was kinda taken back by his reply..he said "Killing is not fun buddy in a stern voice"..but he was quick to add "I'm proud ..I did my Duties".."Jesus will save us"....

Now please think...Army men are human..they go through the same emotions that we do...but they still have to do their duties.. and often its religion that offers soothing peace in times likes these..nothing wrong ...

 

[S-2]

You can be assured that there's plenty of Islamic zeal when wasting our guys right down to the obligatory Allah Akbar.

Plenty of praying with your P.A. troops too. Nobody accusing them of being the next Saladin.

BTW, let me know when the next christian is serving with your forces, please. Might be the first one for all I know.

Thanks.

 

[Awesome]

You can be assured that there's plenty of Islamic zeal when wasting our guys right down to the obligatory Allah Akbar.

Plenty of praying with your P.A. troops too. Nobody accusing them of being the next Saladin.

BTW, let me know when the next christian is serving with your forces, please. Might be the first one for all I know.

Thanks.

I don't think this is evidence of a crusade, however, its something noteworthy that religious fundos are in and about this whole "War on Terror". As long as the US military follows its own rules and recalls this gear they are playing by the books.

Of course Bush belongs to the religious fundo club and HIS statement of a crusade did not just mean "enterprise with a lot of zeal and enthusiasm". We all fully understood what HE meant.

There is no doubt amongst all Muslims, all, that there is a heavy anti-Muslim element to this war.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I have seen the same thing today on a Russian Channel: RT!

Well there is a good news!

How can one justify the war?
Make it holy!

So the U.S. soldiers think they are eliminating terrorists >> morals are high!

Holy is the key >> make it legal!

Can't explain in simple words than I did.
We all know how many people in the Sates follow religion. There is a difference between Pakistani troops and American troops if we compare the ratio of practicing religion. The signs on the guns are not simple as explained. Some people here make stuff clear as a mirror but they have to understand that not many people join PDF and other forums. One who does know's few things...By making things utter simple is a "slap" on their own face. You cannot impress people on the forums as they know many things than you think of.
No wonder if this war is given a "holy" name it will sink many ships out there and many people will die. It is better not to give a holy name...It is the last tool used by people and I think it "will" be used as playing with emotions is a great victory itself.

Regards

 

[TruthSeeker]

Totally absurd to say/think that the USA ever has viewed the WoT as a "Crusade" in the sense of the 11th century Christian Crusades. The term "crusade" has become a word to mean a committed effort, nothing more. The fact that G W Bush used the word only shows that he was totally ignorant (clueless) as to how the Muslim world would hear/interpret that word. It is making a mountain out of a molehill to argue otherwise.

 

[gambit]

Let me share my experience with you all. It was a typical Friday night for me, was with friends at a bar, while I was waiting for my drink I noticed this guy in Army camouflage. We started exchanging pleasantries and he told me he was just back from Afghanistan, I sincerely praised his efforts and happened to say "Thanks for Killing all the Bad Guys". I was kinda taken back by his reply..he said "Killing is not fun buddy in a stern voice"..but he was quick to add "I'm proud ..I did my Duties".."Jesus will save us"....

Now please think...Army men are human..they go through the same emotions that we do...but they still have to do their duties.. and often its religion that offers soothing peace in times likes these..nothing wrong ...

A toast to you, sir...

Amazon.com: On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society (9780316330114): Dave Grossman: Books

I highly recommend the above scholarly work. I personally read it four times. No exaggeration.

 

[Awesome]

Totally absurd to say/think that the USA ever has viewed the WoT as a "Crusade" in the sense of the 11th century Christian Crusades. The term "crusade" has become a word to mean a committed effort, nothing more. The fact that G W Bush used the word only shows that he was totally ignorant (clueless) as to how the Muslim world would hear/interpret that word. It is making a mountain out of a molehill to argue otherwise.

It feels that way.

I mean take the Kashmir cause. There is ZILCH effort from the United States to secure their right to democracy, to secure their freedom, to help them from the terrorism of Indian army (and scores and scores of documentaries done by western countries exist on what the Indians are doing to Kashmiris, so there is no doubt that there is ACTUAL terrorism going on there.).

Yet, mums the word since its terrorism against Muslims as opposed to terrorism BY Muslims where the US is quick to spring into action.