European Lawmakers Arrive In Taiwan To Show Support

[kankan326]

I don't know if you are that naive or you are really blinded by patriotic nationalism.

First of all, Europe depends on US to secure their trade route, which is the reason why there are NATO and they don't pay premium on Defence Budget, because the US is going to do it for them. Sure, Russia had rattle them a bit and they are putting more money into defence and less rely on the US, which they should be, but then even a fool can see this is not going to be a long run.

Second, there are market before China you know. You can only earn money as long as it is convenient for you to earn, you never sacrifice security concern for a few quick bucks, they still invest in China because China is not asking them to choose and asking them to abandon their old world order. That's what work for them, if China started to get too close to the core Western Value, you have to be a blinded fool to think Europe will drop it in favor of earning a few bucks. Again, look at EU now with the oil and gas problem, Putin make a serious miscalculation to think EU will stay out of it and US is too far to help and by the time US help arrive they would have conquered Ukraine. This is a serious misstep for him. Because EU would much rather endure a self-inflicted energy crisis then kowtow to Russia, and bear in mind, you need oil and gas to live, you don't need cheap electronic to live.

As for where will they replace China? Dude, China did not born with this market and advantage, it takes money and time to develop China into the current state, and you really think EU and US cannot do it to some other place if push comes to shove? What China have geographically, and material wise the world did not?? You have to be stupid to think nobody can replace China. Dude, you are the second Japan, and we had replaced Japan with you, what make you think we can't replace China with someone else??

That's a lot of bullshit. 1) China is EU's biggest trade partner. not US. 40% German cars are sold in China. Do you know what that means? China can destroy Germany car industry if it wants. Europeans believe they relying more on US than China is another proof they are idiots. It is only because US likes to sanction them while China never did. Which gives Europeans an illutsion that US is more important than China.
2) The Russia saction has substantially hurt Germany industries. No other country can supply Germany oil/natural gas as cheap as Russia does. Geography decides everything. Without cheap Russian energy and resource, Germany's de-industrialization is evitable. Tough life is waiting for European unless they make peace deal with Russia again.
3) No matter of what. China is already there. No country can replace China whatsoever. You should accept this simple fact.

 

[jhungary]

That's a lot of bullshit. 1) China is EU's biggest trade partner. not US. 40% German cars are sold in China. Do you know what that means? China can destroy Germany car industry if it wants. Europeans believe they relying more on US than China is another proof they are idiots. It is only because US likes to sanction them while China never did. Which gives Europeans an illutsion that US is more important than China.
2) The Russia saction has substantially hurt Germany industries. No other country can supply Germany oil/natural gas as cheap as Russia does. Geography decides everything. Without cheap Russian energy and resource, Germany's de-industrialization is evitable. Tough life is waiting for European unless they make peace deal with Russia again.
3) No matter of what. China is already there. No country can replace China whatsoever. You should accept this simple fact.

Well, so does Putin say it is Bullshit when the EU import 45% of their entire oil and gas need from Russia. Remind me how this goes with Putin?? And it's EU who had 100% storage with oil and gas, and Russia have to sell their to China and India with discount.

and lol, you can go believe there are no one that can replace China, that's your own believe, the people in the West suggested otherwise. Again, there are no natural advantage China can offer where other developing country couldn't, anyone can take Chinese spot given enough time and money invest into it. Chinese are not smarter than anyone else in this planet, nor was the coastline cleaner and deeper than most port in the world, so really tell me, what make you think nobody can replace China??

And do you REALLY think paying 50c more per liter of fuel will deindustrialise a country?? Lol, that's really wishful thinking dude.

 

[kankan326]

I've been to EU and all countries / regions you mentioned. Do not think so.

Which part you don't agree on? I think I should clarify that when I said most are idiots, it's not about their intelligence. It's about their wisdom in politics

 

[kankan326]

Well, so does Putin say it is Bullshit when the EU import 45% of their entire oil and gas need from Russia. Remind me how this goes with Putin?? And it's EU who had 100% storage with oil and gas, and Russia have to sell their to China and India with discount.

and lol, you can go believe there are no one that can replace China, that's your own believe, the people in the West suggested otherwise. Again, there are no natural advantage China can offer where other developing country couldn't, anyone can take Chinese spot given enough time and money invest into it. Chinese are not smarter than anyone else in this planet, nor was the coastline cleaner and deeper than most port in the world, so really tell me, what make you think nobody can replace China??

And do you REALLY think paying 50c more per liter of fuel will deindustrialise a country?? Lol, that's really wishful thinking dude.

Sure EU had 100% storage with oil and gas. But what the cost they paid for the 100% storage? French president said they bought natural gas from US with x4 price. It's not sustainable to keep EU's industry running. Europeans won't hold their ideology for long. No money, no dignity. Let alone their pride. Before Ukraine war, Russia's natural gas only accounts 10% China's total import. So Russia doesn't have to worry about losing EU market. China's demand is too large.

Do you know why US so care about Europe and and East Asia like Japan and S.Korea? Do you know why US deploys so many troops in these regions? Why didn't US deploy troops in South Asia, South America and Africa? Because these countries are irreplaceable. It may be not political correctness but I have to say, only West Europe, Norht America and East Asia can be successful in economy. Among them, China is the biggest in both production power and consumption power. In a word. No other country can replace China, unless there is another Earth.

 

[jhungary]

Sure EU had 100% storage with oil and gas. But what the cost they paid for the 100% storage? French president said they bought natural gas from US with x4 price. It's not sustainable to keep EU's industry running. Europeans won't hold their ideology for long. No money, no dignity. Let alone their pride. Before Ukraine war, Russia's natural gas only accounts 10% China's total import. So Russia doesn't have to worry about losing EU market. China's demand is too large.

you do know the reason why they are paying 4x from the US is because there are no existing US infrastructure to service the oil and gas to Europe, almost the entire US Oil and Gas infrastructure is on the West Coast, as Pacific is the main customer where US oil and gas serve, they would have to route the entire South America in order for Oil Tanker and Gas Storage ship to cross into Europe, it got so bad even Chinese second hand gas from US and Russia is cheaper than buying directly from US.

But then this will not be the issue when Qatar Pipeline and North Sea Pipeline went into service in mid-2023.

And Russia can't replace EU market with China, China is NOT a traditional gas costumer because it has large enough Gas Production and China rely on Green Energy. (IIRC China is 5th or 6th biggest Gas Producer in the world) Oil on the other hand, China do need, however, it's up to a point, because China won't need Oil that much if and when they fill their strategic reserve, anything after this is just a waste of money to store them. And Russia do not have big enough pipeline to supply China with enough Oil to offset EU market.

All that is before China and India is buying Russian oil at a discount, most believe it is somewhere around 30% off. Which mean once Brent Crude price went back to around $70 a barrel, Russia will then be paying for those oil. And the current price is $92 a barrel

Do you know why US so care about Europe and and East Asia like Japan and S.Korea? Do you know why US deploys so many troops in these regions? Why didn't US deploy troops in South Asia, South America and Africa? Because these countries are irreplaceable. It may be not political correctness but I have to say, only West Europe, Norht America and East Asia can be successful in economy. Among them, China is the biggest in both production power and consumption power. In a word. No other country can replace China, unless there is another Earth.

FIrst of all, you do know US have deployed troop in South Asia, South America and Africa, right? US have bases in Singapore, Philippine (with permanent rotation) and US Special Force is fighting shoulder to shoulder with the Filipino force in Moro, in South America, US had bases in Paraguay, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Colombia and Peru. And US have troop in Niger, Congo, South Africa and a base in Djibouti.

And lol, you think only China can develop and other can't? As I said, name me one quality China have and the other developing nation do not and that cannot be developed with money and time?

It's fun for people like you to talk about how people being brainwash.

 

[zhxy]

and lol, you can go believe there are no one that can replace China, that's your own believe, the people in the West suggested otherwise. Again, there are no natural advantage China can offer where other developing country couldn't, anyone can take Chinese spot given enough time and money invest into it.

Previously, in the thread of Merck of Germany opening a semiconductor store in China, my opinion was "Germany Merck opens a semiconductor store in China, it does not mean that China has Merck technology. Merck just want to make money from China, use that money to upgrade their technology, and then continue to sell their products to China. China needs to be technologically independent in all areas."

But the attitude of Chinese members is very different, they think China is irreplaceable, foreign companies do not dare to leave China.

I stopped because I felt that discussing with them was a waste of time. If they feel China's technological independence is unnecessary, happy to be consumers of foreign products, happy to receive investment from foreign companies,it is their freedom

Chinese are not smarter than anyone else in this planet, nor was the coastline cleaner and deeper than most port in the world, so really tell me, what make you think nobody can replace China??

East Asian races have the highest average IQ in the world. Looking at what happens in South Asia, South America and Africa, my conclusion is that Race and genetics are very important.

 

[kankan326]

you do know the reason why they are paying 4x from the US is because there are no existing US infrastructure to service the oil and gas to Europe, almost the entire US Oil and Gas infrastructure is on the West Coast, as Pacific is the main customer where US oil and gas serve, they would have to route the entire South America in order for Oil Tanker and Gas Storage ship to cross into Europe, it got so bad even Chinese second hand gas from US and Russia is cheaper than buying directly from US.

But then this will not be the issue when Qatar Pipeline and North Sea Pipeline went into service in mid-2023.

And Russia can't replace EU market with China, China is NOT a traditional gas costumer because it has large enough Gas Production and China rely on Green Energy. (IIRC China is 5th or 6th biggest Gas Producer in the world) Oil on the other hand, China do need, however, it's up to a point, because China won't need Oil that much if and when they fill their strategic reserve, anything after this is just a waste of money to store them. And Russia do not have big enough pipeline to supply China with enough Oil to offset EU market.

All that is before China and India is buying Russian oil at a discount, most believe it is somewhere around 30% off. Which mean once Brent Crude price went back to around $70 a barrel, Russia will then be paying for those oil. And the current price is $92 a barrel


FIrst of all, you do know US have deployed troop in South Asia, South America and Africa, right? US have bases in Singapore, Philippine (with permanent rotation) and US Special Force is fighting shoulder to shoulder with the Filipino force in Moro, in South America, US had bases in Paraguay, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Colombia and Peru. And US have troop in Niger, Congo, South Africa and a base in Djibouti.

And lol, you think only China can develop and other can't? As I said, name me one quality China have and the other developing nation do not and that cannot be developed with money and time?

It's fun for people like you to talk about how people being brainwash.

Unfortunately Qatar pipeline has to pass Syria. Which is Russia's closest ally. And Turkey is also a well known trouble maker. I dare say EU should not hold high hope to it.
I said Russia natural gas only accounts 10% of China's total IMPORT. It's import, not consumption.

Of course I know US has military bases in many places. But only in Europe and East Asia the scales are big. China is one of the countries that suffer sanctions most from west. But among all non US allies, only China succeeded. China's rise is definitely not coincidental.

 

[jhungary]

Previously, in the thread of Merck of Germany opening a semiconductor store in China, my opinion was "Germany Merck opens a semiconductor store in China, it does not mean that China has Merck technology. Merck just want to make money from China, use that money to upgrade their technology, and then continue to sell their products to China. China needs to be technologically independent in all areas."

But the attitude of Chinese members is very different, they think China is irreplaceable, foreign companies do not dare to leave China.

I stopped because I felt that discussing with them was a waste of time. If they feel China's technological independence is unnecessary, happy to be consumers of foreign products, happy to receive investment from foreign companies,it is their freedom

They are living in their own world, and brainwashed to a point nothing ever make sense but as long as their party say so, they will believe it 100%, that's quite feature on how Russia still believe they can win in Ukraine when every sign a normal person would see will say otherwise.

As they say, don't wake a fool's dream.

East Asian races have the highest average IQ in the world. Looking at what happens in South Asia, South America and Africa, my conclusion is that Race and genetics are very important.

By smart I don't mean IQ, i mean smart enough to operate machinery.

Unfortunately Qatar pipeline has to pass Syria. Which is Russia's closest ally. And Turkey is also a well known trouble maker. I dare say EU should not hold high hope to it.
I said Russia natural gas only account 10% of China's total IMPORT. It's import, not consumption.

Of course I know US has military bases in many places. But only in Europe and East Asia the scales are big. China is one of the countries that suffer sanctions most from west. But among all non US allies, only China succeeded. China's rise is definitely not coincidental.

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You do know there are 2 choices for Qatar Pipeline, right??

One is for Qatar to pass thru Jordan, Syria, to Turkey, the other is Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq then to Turkey.

You seem to not know Turkey border Iraq, and Iraq border Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia border Qatar...

Qatar seeks gas pipeline to Turkey

Qatar has proposed a gas pipeline from the Gulf to Turkey in a sign the emirate is considering a further expansion of exports.

www.thenationalnews.com

"For this aim, I think a gas pipeline between Turkey and Qatar would solve the issue once and for all," Mr Erdogan added, according to reports in several newspapers. The reports said two different routes for such a pipeline were possible. One would lead from Qatar through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq to Turkey. The other would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey. It was not clear whether the second option would be connected to the Pan-Arab pipeline, carrying Egyptian gas through Jordan to Syria. That pipeline, which is due to be extended to Turkey, has also been proposed as a source of gas for Nabucco.

And you can interpret how China success whatever way you like, that does not affect the fact one bit.

 

[kankan326]

You do know there are 2 choices for Qatar Pipeline, right??

One is for Qatar to pass thru Jordan, Syria, to Turkey, the other is Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq then to Turkey.

You seem to not know Turkey border Iraq, and Iraq border Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia border Qatar...




And you can interpret how China success whatever way you like, that does not affect the fact one bit.

All routes look unsafe. Those countries are in violence. Exploding the pipeline on land is much easier than under sea.
We are living in a small world. Go look the world map. Is there another China in map? Seems the only choice is India. No other choice left. Do you seriously believe India can replace China?

 

[jhungary]

All routes look unsafe. Exploding the pipeline on land is much easier than under sea.

dude, oil pipeline exists in Middle East since 1970, how many of them are destroyed?? They see more war than nord stream does.

We are living in a small world. Go look the world map. Is there another China in map? Seems the only choice is India. No other choice left. Do you seriously believe India can replace China?

As I said, I believe any country with the right amount of time and money invest in it can replace China, you still yet to answer me why other country can't and what China have other didn't when given enough time and money to build up.

Again, if you want to believe China is irreplaceable, that's you. Fact to the matter is, China will not dare to ask EU and US to take side, because they know what the US and EU will do, if not already doing.

 

[kankan326]

dude, oil pipeline exists in Middle East since 1970, how many of them are destroyed?? They see more war than nord stream does.



As I said, I believe any country with the right amount of time and money invest in it can replace China, you still yet to answer me why other country can't and what China have other didn't when given enough time and money to build up.

Again, if you want to believe China is irreplaceable, that's you. Fact to the matter is, China will not dare to ask EU and US to take side, because they know what the US and EU will do, if not already doing.

Things are different this time. Pipelines have never become bargaining chip between big powers before. They used to be safe. Not now. Especially after US set a good example for the world.

I have already given you many reasons why China is irreplaceable. Of course China will not ask European countries now. The real consequences of Ukraine war for Europeans have not come yet. Let the bullet fly for a while.

If money inflow can make a country successful, there would be no backward country in the world now. Actually foreign investment is not decisive reason for China's development in the first place.

 

[jhungary]

Things are different this time. Pipelines have never become bargaining chip between big powers before. They used to be safe. Not now. Especially after US set a good example for the world.

lol, you think smaller power like Iraq and Iran will not think of damaging the other country's mean of economical support in war before Ukraine?

Dude, do you even know how hard it is to try to damage an oil pipeline?? Do you even know why Saddam even burning all the oil tap in Kuwait and still wouldn't damage the pipeline in Kuwait??

I have already given you many reasons why China is irreplaceable. Of course China will not ask European countries now. The real consequences of Ukraine war for Europeans have not come yet. Let the bullet fly for a while.

lol, Taiwan issue predate Ukraine war by at least 20 years, why China did not ask EU or US back in mid-2010 or even at 2020??

Or you think EU or US did not support Taiwan just until Russia attack Ukraine?? LOL

If money inflow can make a country successful, there would be no backward country in the world now. Actually foreign investment is not decisive reason for China's development in the first place.

You have to be naive to think the reason why China elevated to the current status is not because of money.

And no, you had not give me even one example of why China is irreplacable. All you say is "China is there" and "China have the biggest manufacturer capability". The first one is not a reason at all, while the second one can be had with money and time developed.

There is reason why some part of the world is backward, it has nothing to do with investment and development, it has everything to do with security and culture.

Again, if US can be replaced as world leader, NOTHING in this world is irreplaceable. Only a fool will think otherwise.

 

[kankan326]

lol, you think smaller power like Iraq and Iran will not think of damaging the other country's mean of economical support in war before Ukraine?

Dude, do you even know how hard it is to try to damage an oil pipeline?? Do you even know why Saddam even burning all the oil tap in Kuwait and still wouldn't damage the pipeline in Kuwait??



lol, Taiwan issue predate Ukraine war by at least 20 years, why China did not ask EU or US back in mid-2010 or even at 2020??

Or you think EU or US did not support Taiwan just until Russia attack Ukraine?? LOL



You have to be naive to think the reason why China elevated to the current status is not because of money.

And no, you had not give me even one example of why China is irreplacable. All you say is "China is there" and "China have the biggest manufacturer capability". The first one is not a reason at all, while the second one can be had with money and time developed.

There is reason why some part of the world is backward, it has nothing to do with investment and development, it has everything to do with security and culture.

Again, if US can be replaced as world leader, NOTHING in this world is irreplaceable. Only a fool will think otherwise.

1,What if Russia damages the pipeline? What EU is going to do to Russia? Santion it? LOL.
2, I say it again. There are 3 regions on the earth that can be successful in industrialization. North America. West part Europe and East Asia. Each part is irreplaceable. As China is the biggest one, it's relatively more important. Got it?
3, Foreign investment didn't play a big role for China's rise. China's most important manufacturing sectors are all sustained by domestic companies. Huawei is a pure Chinese company. High speed train, AI, drone, EV, solar energy. All the achievements were made by Chinese companies. With millions of Chinese manufacturing companies together formed competitive made-in-China.

 

[Yaoudelizard]

Sending politicians instead of soldiers is as useful as sending thoughts and prayers.

 

[jhungary]

1,What if Russia damages the pipeline? What EU is going to do to Russia? Santion it? LOL.

Damage what pipeline? Qatar to Turkey?

Again, do you know how hard it is to damage a underground oil pipeline??

2, I say it again. There are 3 regions on the earth that can be successful in industrialization. North America. West part Europe and East Asia. Each part is irreplaceable. As China is the biggest one, it's relatively more important. Got it?

lol, sure, beside China, NO ONE can industrialise given enough time and money.

Okay, I BELIEVE YOU. LOL

3, Foreign investment didn't play a big role for China's rise. China's most important manufacturing sectors are all sustained by domestic companies. Huawei is a pure Chinese company. High speed train, AI, drone, EV, solar energy. All the achievements were made by Chinese companies. With millions of Chinese manufacturing companies together formed competitive made-in-China.

Lol, all those are after Foreign Investment injection in China, if China is that great, then they wouldn't need to open market before they will have international company like Huawei. Where is Huawei in China in the 1980s? Before Deng open up China for Foreign investment. Are there even industrial base in China before 1980???

All the success in China ties to foreign investment. Without it, you won't even have the industrial base you have now, let alone Company like Huawei or whatever next the Chinese are known for.

Dude, you are talking out of your arse