European Lawmakers Arrive In Taiwan To Show Support

[nahtanbob]

It's just output of election politics. Most voters are stupid as fvck. Stupid majorities decide politicians to act like clowns. The politicians have to be anti China to please voters sentiment. But it's another story when talking about how to maintain voters living standard. Voters are in deed brainwashed idiots. But even idiots can feel hungry.

It is amazing your youngest and brightest queue up in tens of thousands to study and settle in countries with election politics

 

[gambit]

It's just output of election politics. Most voters are stupid as fvck. Stupid majorities decide politicians to act like clowns. The politicians have to be anti China to please voters sentiment. But it's another story when talking about how to maintain voters living standard. Voters are in deed brainwashed idiots. But even idiots can feel hungry.

Now we know why the CPC have 'high standards' for membership acceptance.

 

[gambit]

It is amazing your youngest and brightest queue up in tens of thousands to study and settle in countries with election politics

What is amazing is how the Party managed to brainwashed him. How much do these guys boast about China quantum physics this, computer chips that, and so on and on. But somehow the Chinese people is too stupid to understand politics.

 

[kankan326]

Damage what pipeline? Qatar to Turkey?

Again, do you know how hard it is to damage a underground oil pipeline??



lol, sure, beside China, NO ONE can industrialise given enough time and money.

Okay, I BELIEVE YOU. LOL


Lol, all those are after Foreign Investment injection in China, if China is that great, then they wouldn't need to open market before they will have international company like Huawei. Where is Huawei in China in the 1980s? Before Deng open up China for Foreign investment. Are there even industrial base in China before 1980???

All the success in China ties to foreign investment. Without it, you won't even have the industrial base you have now, let alone Company like Huawei or whatever next the Chinese are known for.

Dude, you are talking out of your arse

1. Damaging on land pipeline is much easier than under sea's. And you should notice no matter of what Qatar pipeline passes/is very close to Shia regions. Which is under Russia's another friend Iran's influence. Russia has full motivation to teach the hostile EU a lesson.
2. There are too many examples that prove money inflow can not bring economic success. Eastern European countries, Southeast Asian countries, South American countries. They opened door to foreign investment earlier than China. Did they succeed? No. On the contary, they lost their economic sovereignty and became new verson of economic colonies. It's more like a curse than a bless. The failure of China's car industry is another proof of foreign investment curse.
3. No. Most startup money for China's development came from Chinese themselves. China accumulated $ by exporting shoes, toys, clothes and all kinds of OEM products. China's fast growth after opening policy adopted is mainly because China changed its ecnomic structure. Foreign investment did help but it was not the major reason. For example, BOE is an old state owned company. Now it becomes world biggest screen supplier. No foreign investment was engaged in its whole evolution. BOE is the typical patten for most Chinese companies' growth.

Even the foreign investments in the early stage of China's development, most of them came from ethnic Chinese sources. Hongkong, Taiwan and other Chinese investors(See below pie chart, account 80%). I don't know why the westerners believe it was them who helped China.

 

[jhungary]

1. Damaging on land pipeline is much easier than under sea's. And you should notice no matter of what Qatar pipeline passes/is very close to Shia regions. Which is under Russia's another friend Iran's influence. Russia has full motivation to teach the hostile EU a lesson.

You have no idea how oil pipeline operates, right??

16 Types of Pipelines and their Construction Method

A pipeline represents a complex network of pipes meticulously designed to transport fluids such as oil, natural gas, or other petroleum-based products over extensive distances, primarily undergroun…

theconstructor.org

2. There are too many examples that prove money inflow can not bring economic success. Eastern European countries, Southeast Asian countries, South American countries. They opened door to foreign investment earlier than China. Did they succeed? No. On the contary, they lost their economic sovereignty and became new verson of economic colonies. It's more like a curse than a bless. The failure of China's car industry is another proof of foreign investment curse.

I did not say foreign investment will CERTAINLY bring succeed, that's a different point, I myself invested in failed investment in China before. That's about risk of investment, everywhere is the same.

My point is, tell me how or what China have other developing nation do not, given if we pump in enough money and time.

3. No. Most startup money for China's development came from Chinese themselves. China accumulated $ by exporting shoes, toys, clothes and all kinds of OEM products. China's fast growth after opening policy adopted is mainly because China changed its ecnomic structure. Foreign investment did help but it was not the real reason. For example, BOE is an old state owned company. Now it becomes world biggest screen supplier. No foreign investment was engaged in its whole evolution. BOE is the typical model for Chinese companies' growth.

Even the foreign investments in the early stage of China's development, most of them came from ethnic Chinese sources. Hongkong, Taiwan and other Chinese investors(See below pie chart, account 80%). I don't know why the westerners believe it was them who helped China.

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Again, tell me when Huawei is in the 80s.

You are saying Chinese success does not related to Western Investment, then there MUST BE SUCCESSFUL COMPANY BEFORE Western investment in China when Deng open up in 1980s. Well, as you say, China don't need western investment to succeed, then I want to see some "Result"

Show me one example of an successful international conglomerate based in China. Just one.

By the way, in case you are too stupid to understand, you own post actually saying Chinese success is because of Western Investment, because you admitted China rapid development is due to changing of economic structure, where do you think that structure come from?? Because Chinese did not build that economic structure from scratch.

Dude, you make me laugh.

 

[kankan326]

You have no idea how oil pipeline operates, right??

16 Types of Pipelines and their Construction Method

A pipeline represents a complex network of pipes meticulously designed to transport fluids such as oil, natural gas, or other petroleum-based products over extensive distances, primarily undergroun…

theconstructor.org

I did not say foreign investment will CERTAINLY bring succeed, that's a different point, I myself invested in failed investment in China before. That's about risk of investment, everywhere is the same.

My point is, tell me how or what China have other developing nation do not, given if we pump in enough money and time.


Again, tell me when Huawei is in the 80s.

You are saying Chinese success does not related to Western Investment, then there MUST BE SUCCESSFUL COMPANY BEFORE Western investment in China when Deng open up in 1980s. Well, as you say, China don't need western investment to succeed, then I want to see some "Result"

Show me one example of an successful international conglomerate based in China. Just one.

By the way, in case you are too stupid to understand, you own post actually saying Chinese success is because of Western Investment, because you admitted China rapid development is due to changing of economic structure, where do you think that structure come from?? Because Chinese did not build that economic structure from scratch.

Dude, you make me laugh.

1.No matter how the pipeline is built. Damaging is always 10000 times efficient than buiding as long as it is on the earth surface.
2, Finally you admitted investment will not certainly bring success. Where is your "simply take their money and business elsewhere"? In the real world, among 100 developing countries, 97 of them will fall into foreign investment curse. China is one of the few exceptions. For countries with certain big territory, China is the only exception. It's not coincidental. I forgot to mention economic success not only means big production power, also means big consumption power. What China has others don't? China is located in one of the 3 critical regions. China has CCP. Chinese people are good at buniess. Chinese culture is unique... In a word, you can not create another China by investing money.
3. China's success is because China adopted market economy and gave up planned economy in most sectors. But do you think market economy is a west invention? FYI, The history of market economy is much longer than planned economy. Market economy is a very primitive social structure. I don't know why you tried so hard to attribute China's success to westerners.

 

[jhungary]

1.No matter how the pipeline is built. Damaging is always 10000 times efficient than buiding as long as it is on the earth surface.

Dude, read the article I send you, IT'S NOT.

2, Finally you admitted investment will not certainly bring success. Where is your "simply take their money and business elsewhere"? In the real world, among 100 developing countries, 97 of them will fall into foreign investment curse. China is one of the few exceptions. For countries with certain big territory, China is the only exception. It's not coincidental. I forgot to mention economic success not only means big production power, also means big consumption power. What China has others don't? China is located in one of the 3 critical regions. China has CCP. Chinese people are good at buniess. Chinese culture is unique... In a word, you can not create another China by investing money.

Dude, you are twisting my point,

Did EVERY investment in China have positive return? No. It cannot be because market is floating and the risk is still there, That does NOT translate to if you invest in someplace else not China and it WILL DEFINITELY fail.

My point is, the risk is the same whether you invest in China or Mars, and if you think if you invest money in China and it will definitely success while if I invest the same amount in say. Malaysia, will definitely fail, I will need you to explain.

That was my whole point, what make China stand out the rest cannot, given if we invest the same amount of money in the 2 places. How are you so sure every investment I made outside China will fail?

3. China's success is because China adopted market economy and gave up planned economy in most sectors. But do you think market economy is a west invention? FYI, The history of market economy is much longer than planned economy. Market economy is a very primitive social structure. I don't know why you tried so hard to attribute China's success to westerners.

Where's that "market economy" come from? Did Communist China study Market Economy??

And I am still awaiting on where is the "Successful" Chinese company BEFORE Western Money. If you claim there are success before, then you should be able to name 1 or 2.

I don't try it so hard on attribute Chinese success to Westerner, I try so hard to tell you it can be replicated somewhere, to which you are still skirting around my question.

 

[Muhammed45]

Pelosi visit opened the way for more western bullsh*t.

 

[kankan326]

Dude, read the article I send you, IT'S NOT.



Dude, you are twisting my point,

Did EVERY investment in China have positive return? No. It cannot be because market is floating and the risk is still there, That does NOT translate to if you invest in someplace else not China and it WILL DEFINITELY fail.

My point is, the risk is the same whether you invest in China or Mars, and if you think if you invest money in China and it will definitely success while if I invest the same amount in say. Malaysia, will definitely fail, I will need you to explain.

That was my whole point, what make China stand out the rest cannot, given if we invest the same amount of money in the 2 places. How are you so sure every investment I made outside China will fail?



Where's that "market economy" come from? Did Communist China study Market Economy??

And I am still awaiting on where is the "Successful" Chinese company BEFORE Western Money. If you claim there are success before, then you should be able to name 1 or 2.

I don't try it so hard on attribute Chinese success to Westerner, I try so hard to tell you it can be replicated somewhere, to which you are still skirting around my question.

1. I saw the article. Those are easy targets. No need to talk more.
2. From investors respect to say, of course there are successful and failed investments everywhere. For countries that receive investments, even successful investments(for investors) could end up bad output for them. In most cases they will become economic colonies. Or fall into middle income trap at best. Which will weaken their consumption capability. In turn will lose attraction for investment. This is like a vicious cycle.

On the other side, as I said, China not only offers investors good infrastructure and labour force(Thank to China's investment in infrastructure and education). Economic success also bring big consumption power. Which is something most developing countries don't have and is the ultimate motivation for investment.
3. I never said China was successful before Deng's reform(NOT before western money. They happened in same time but western money did not play big role). So stop asking stupid questions.

 

[jhungary]

1. I saw the article. Those are easy targets. No need to talk more.

Sure, dig up the entire pipeline and then attach some bomb to it is easy, particularly Russian Military can operate in all those condition in plain sight on any of the host country which there are military present every 100 yard or so.

Yes, that sound quite easy to me.....lol

2. From investors respect to say, of course there are successful and failed investments everywhere. For countries that receive investments, even successful investments(for investors) could end up bad output for them. In most cases they will become economic colonies. Or fall into middle income trap at best. Which will weaken their consumption capability. In turn will lost
attraction for investment. This is like a vicious cycle.
On the other side, as I said, China not only offers investors good infrastructure and labour force(Thank to China's investment in infrastructure and education). Economic success also bring big consumption power. Which is something most developing countries don't have and is the ultimate motivation for investment.

Again, you say China cannot be replaced and the investment success cannot be replicated with some other country, I want an explantion on how this is the case with China and not other country given if we put in the same amount of money and time.

So what, country like Malaysia or Vietnam cannot produce world class graduate with Western Money or even after send them to Western Education?? How about Infrastructure cannot be developed in Malaysia or Vietnam with Western Money?? Dude. All those you can replicate with money and time.

I don't want to hear "I have told you numerous time" I want to hear it stated out clearly, why and for what reason why this only work in China, but not anywhere else like you claim.

3. I never said China was successful before Deng's reform(NOT before western money. They happened in same time but western money did not play big role). So stop asking stupid questions.

Sure, then how do you know it have nothing to do with Foreign money if they are in the mix. You clearly say it have nothing to do with Foreign money, but failed to proof to me it was already successful BEFORE said money.

And if you don't want me to ask stupid question, then stop saying stupid thing.