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Erdogan proposes Turkish ratings agency

Erdogan proposes Turkish ratings agency - FT.com



Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, has proposed setting up a Turkish ratings agency after taking umbrage at an assessment of the country’s debt by one of the three main international bodies.
The announcement follows Mr Erdogan’s enthusiasm for a “Turkish car” made for the country’s domestic market and tablet computer designed for the country’s 15m schoolchildren.

The prime minister is angry at Standard & Poor’s, which announced this month it was revising Ankara’s long-term sovereign rating from “positive” to “stable” – a way of saying it does not expect to award the country investment grade status in the next 12 months.
Mr Erdogan, who in almost a decade in office has presided over the nation’s economic transformation, has complained that the decision does not reflect Turkey’s rapid rate of growth – 8.5 per cent last year. But the ratings agency believes the country could be vulnerable to outside events because of its large current account deficit and sizeable private sector debt.

“Changing Turkey’s rating from ‘positive’ to ‘stable’ is completely ideological,” Mr Erdogan told journalists in Pakistan, which he has been visiting this week. “Turkey might set up its own credit rating institution – that would be of great benefit.”

The Turkish prime minister suggested that both Turkish and international groups could be clients of such a ratings agency. He has already declared that Ankara no longer “recognises” S&P as a ratings agency, ridiculing it for upgrading Greece at the same time as it revised Turkey’s outlook.
“S&P’s statement didn’t have any effect on our markets but our statements impaired S&P’s credit in the world,” he said this week in Pakistan.

Kadri Gursel, a columnist for Turkey’s Milliyet newspaper, said Mr Erdogan’s remarks were influenced both by the country’s sense of rising power and by its dependence on foreign financing of the current account deficit, which last year reached 10 per cent of gross domestic product.

“This is a statement totally destined for local consumption,” Mr Gursel said. “This emanates from the psychology of exaggerated self-esteem and exaggerated self-confidence in the region, with all the problems in the eurozone and elsewhere.”

In a speech last month, Ahmet Davutoglu, Mr Erdogan’s foreign minister, declared that Turkey would be “the owner, pioneer and the servant of this new Middle East” – although both he and the prime minister have since played down those comments.
Industrial initiatives born from Turkey’s growing self-confidence are also experiencing mixed results.

The project to distribute specially designed tablet computers to Turkish schools is gaining speed. But the prime minister’s plans for production of a Turkish car have yet to reach fruition, despite his lobbying of prominent businessmen.
 
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A Turkish rating agency stands no chance. We need something bigger with more countries involved.
 
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A Turkish rating agency stands no chance. We need something bigger with more countries involved.

You mean something like a new international monetary system, a new SWIFT and a new rating agency? Well, then you should talk with Chinese, Russians and Iranians. By the way how Greece got uprated? Were they going down?
 
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You mean something like a new international monetary system, a new SWIFT and a new rating agency? Well, then you should talk with Chinese, Russians and Iranians. By the way how Greece got uprated? Were they going down?

I think Chinese Russians may be working on something
 
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I think that the Chinese allready have their own rating agency (so does North Korea btw). But as long as its not in cooperation with other countries and free from political influence no one will take it seriously.
 
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You mean something like a new international monetary system, a new SWIFT and a new rating agency? Well, then you should talk with Chinese, Russians and Iranians. By the way how Greece got uprated? Were they going down?

And not with Pakistan!

Has it become fashion to snub Pakistan?
 
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Chinese rating agency.....will ban and give warning to all neighbor countries :rofl: :shout::rofl:
 
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lol they up or leave greece credit note and drop ours its funny
 
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I think all muslim states must be united. We must have our own rating agency and our central bank.Pakistan and Turkiye even Malaysia must work together on this issue.

Definately agree. We are much stronger today than just 10 years before, and countries like Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia are growing very rapidly which bears extreme potential. Funny thing is Muslim countries have much more raw materials and oil/energy than non-muslim countries.
 
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Definately agree. We are much stronger today than just 10 years before, and countries like Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia are growing very rapidly which bears extreme potential. Funny thing is Muslim countries have much more raw materials and oil/energy than non-muslim countries.

Serious question. Since rating agencies rate how creditworthy you are (credit -> interest), wouldn't it be Harram?
 
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Serious question. Since rating agencies rate how creditworthy you are (credit -> interest), wouldn't it be Harram?

Rating agencies rate companies/countries. As you say interest is haram but not all companies operate with interest. This is a deep discussion that i want to eloborate tomorow.
 
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I think all muslim states must be united. We must have our own rating agency and our central bank.Pakistan and Turkiye even Malaysia must work together on this issue.

Definately agree. We are much stronger today than just 10 years before, and countries like Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia are growing very rapidly which bears extreme potential. Funny thing is Muslim countries have much more raw materials and oil/energy than non-muslim countries.

I do not think in the near future such a thing possible. Almost all muslim countries economically and technologically depended on western countries although they have raw materials and oils. Besides there is no awareness and conscious of united muslims. even reach muslim countries do not care to be united or act together with muslim countries; only they care to keep their interests and existence. Also, there are a lot of conflict among the muslim countries.

United muslim countries would be great but not possible in the near future I think
 
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commander kardes yas kac ? amerikadami dogdun kardes nasil oralar , bu ulke cok boktan valla
 
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Although rating agencies can occassionally fail and they do, their services are fair and generally trustworthy. While nobody likes being downgraded we are moving towards globalisation of financial markets. Turky's sovereign rating matters to Turkey in international markets, not local. Hence a Turkish agency, even if awards a AAA to Turkey will make no difference to international markets and Turkey's debt yield will depend on international perception, not local.
 
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