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Erdogan says will not let Syria's Idlib become conflict zone again

@Aspen

Very disappointed in your comments in this thread. As a Pakistani, your loyalty to Pakistan should come first.

Turkish brothers, if you want to see the common Pakistani views about Turkish-Iranian conflict you can see this thread here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/50-p...rs-killed-in-turkish-strikes-in-syria.655930/

We respect our Turkish allies who always supported Kashmir and stood by Pakistan in the most difficult time. Our founder greatly admired Atatürk. Our national poet Allama Iqbal was a lover of Turkish culture and history, as evidenced by his nostalgic poetry about Ottomans.

As for Iran, our ties are going down fast due to their support of India and for terrorism in Pakistan.
 
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@Aspen

Very disappointed in your comments in this thread. As a Pakistani, your loyalty to Pakistan should come first.

Turkish brothers, if you want to see the common Pakistani views about Turkish-Iranian conflict you can see this thread here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/50-p...rs-killed-in-turkish-strikes-in-syria.655930/

We respect our Turkish allies who always supported Kashmir and stood by Pakistan in the most difficult time. Our founder greatly admired Atatürk. Our national poet Allama Iqbal was a lover of Turkish culture and history, as evidenced by his nostalgic poetry about Ottomans.

As for Iran, our ties are going down fast due to their support of India and for terrorism in Pakistan.

I have never questioned loyalty of anyone and I have the same expectation in return. Only Indians go that low, we are better than that.

Hate to say it, but there are a lot of suckers out there who will get all emotional about Turk-Pak ties. Geopolitics is a messy and bloody business. It's best to not get too personal and stick to the facts.

You will make a lot of enemies the more powerful you get. It's true for Pakistan, it's true for Iran, it's true for Turkey. Embrace it.

Turkey is a great country but in this specific case, I don't think even Erdogan himself believes what he is telling Turks. Pretty much everyone knows that it is a complete lie to say that any part of Syria, let alone Idlib will not become a conflict zone again.

As for all the people accusing me of being Iranian, nope. I am just one of the few Pakistanis on this site with thick skin who is not afraid to duel with Turkish nationalists and call out their BS.

I have criticized Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, India, and US on numerous things and I give credit where it is due because I value the truth more than what sounds good. No country is perfect.

If Turks take criticism more personally than other people, don't. Thick skin is a good thing to have, especially in our tough neighborhood that is the Middle East.
 
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I have never questioned loyalty of anyone and I have the same expectation in return. Only Indians go that low, we are better than that.

Hate to say it, but there are a lot of suckers out there who will get all emotional about Turk-Pak ties. Geopolitics is a messy and bloody business. It's best to not get too personal and stick to the facts.

You will make a lot of enemies the more powerful you get. It's true for Pakistan, it's true for Iran, it's true for Turkey. Embrace it.

Turkey is a great country but in this specific case, I don't think even Erdogan himself believes what he is telling Turks. Pretty much everyone knows that it is a complete lie to say that any part of Syria, let alone Idlib will not become a conflict zone again.

As for all the people accusing me of being Iranian, nope. I am just one of the few Pakistanis on this site with thick skin who is not afraid to duel with Turkish nationalists and call out their BS.

I have criticized Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, India, and US on numerous things and I give credit where it is due because I value the truth more than what sounds good. No country is perfect.

If Turks take criticism more personally than other people, don't. Thick skin is a good thing to have, especially in our tough neighborhood that is the Middle East.

Posting memes mocking Turkey and Turks is not helpful to anyone. You have clearly chosen Iranian propaganda to Pakistan state interests.

It is Iran which is using our citizens for terrorism in Syria, which pushed infected ziareen back to Pakistan, which supports BLF, and is an ally to Kabul regime and Modi.

Turkey has supported Pakistani interests in every capacity.

Atleast, you can let Iranians and Turks battle each other. There is no reason for you to jump in also.

This is abuse of our hospitality towards our dear Turkish brothers.

I must apologize to all Turkish members on your behalf. Your words are your own and do not represent us Pakistanis.

@-SINAN- @Nein @bsruzm @xenon54 @Test7 @MMM-E @Oublious and any others.

Do not think negatively of Pakistanis due to a few Iranian puppets in our midst.
 
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Posting memes mocking Turkey and Turks is not helpful to anyone. You have clearly chosen Iranian propaganda to Pakistan state interests.

It is Iran which is using our citizens for terrorism in Syria, which pushed infected ziareen back to Pakistan, which supports BLF, and is an ally to Kabul regime and Modi.

Turkey has supported Pakistani interests in every capacity.

Atleast, you can let Iranians and Turks battle each other. There is no reason for you to jump in also.

This is abuse of our hospitality towards our dear Turkish brothers.

I must apologize to all Turkish members on your behalf. Your words are your own and do not represent us Pakistanis.

@-SINAN- @Nein @bsruzm @xenon54 @Test7 @MMM-E @Oublious and any others.

Do not think negatively of Pakistanis due to a few Iranian puppets in our midst.

If Turks want to troll others, I have no problem trolling them back. Two can play that game.

I have no preference to Turkey or Iran, I like them equally. When Iran does good like their SLV launch, I give them credit. When Iran does wrong, I call them out on it. I have gone on the record as saying that Rouhani is a traitor to Iran for making too many concessions in JCPOA. Nobody on the Iranian forum took it personally.

Likewise I have given credit to Turkey when they are right. But I will also call out absurd statements like Erdogan saying Syria's Idlib will not become a conflict zone again. No one with a single functioning brain cell should believe this statement. If Turks take it personally, let them.

Your demonization of Iran is not unlike what Pompeo or Netanyahu would say. Iran has done plenty of dubious and questionable things but nobody in this part of the world is innocent including Pakistan and Turkey. Pakistan has its history of questionable activities and so does Turkey.

Pakistanis are not a monolith. We are a nation of diverse and contrasting opinions. You can apologize for yourself but not for me.
 
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Posting memes mocking Turkey and Turks is not helpful to anyone. You have clearly chosen Iranian propaganda to Pakistan state interests.

It is Iran which is using our citizens for terrorism in Syria, which pushed infected ziareen back to Pakistan, which supports BLF, and is an ally to Kabul regime and Modi.

Turkey has supported Pakistani interests in every capacity.

Atleast, you can let Iranians and Turks battle each other. There is no reason for you to jump in also.

This is abuse of our hospitality towards our dear Turkish brothers.

I must apologize to all Turkish members on your behalf. Your words are your own and do not represent us Pakistanis.

@-SINAN- @Nein @bsruzm @xenon54 @Test7 @MMM-E @Oublious and any others.

Do not think negatively of Pakistanis due to a few Iranian puppets in our midst.
No worries bro. I don't think that guy is Pakistani.
 
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do you build your own airborne radar???
do you build your own jet engine???
do you design and build your own subs???
do you have an IR sensor can detect a fighter from 150 km???
do you build your own air defenses???
do you have a cruise missile with more than 300 km range???
can you build 1000 ATGM per year???
do you have thousands of pin-point accurate missiles in your stockpile??
you can not do these, i do not know why you are thinking you are comparable with us.

Turkey and Israel in this region are two the most experienced and advanced TR module producers of the World. Turkey has even exported domestic TRM to Thales for Smart radars. Turkey is the rare GaN module producer of the World thanks to impressive research and development activities and Based on domeatic GaN modules, Turkey is developing one of the most complex naval radar mast solution that will be competible to US Aegis solution. Besides, Turkish airborne AESA radars (3 different AESA) will be integrated on drones, F-16 and finally Tf-X fighters. I don’t even consider Iran as a major player inside this quality based radar league. All state can produce radars. The matter is not about showing some random image to claim Iran Strong. The matter is about the capabilities, jamming resistances, heat resistance and precision of systems.

Yes, Turkey builds own SAM systems inside a family integrity principles instead of copying the designs of any missile that was revealed by foreign countries about 60-70 years ago.

Yes, Turkey and Israel is the two biggest and most experienced IR modules, detector manufacturers of the World. There are 5-6 proven countries who is able to produce these detectors worldwide and Iran is not inside this list in any platform. No matter How you brag about IR sensor with 150km range bla blas because Turkey has developed all bandwith IR detectors for any applications from space to land vehicles, naval applications and airforce. Turkish EO pod is actively used by Pakistani airforce and the crystal clear operation footages (better than your TV cameras, forget about IR) may give you some clue about the quality of Turkish sensors.

Yes, Turkey has pinpoint accuracy ballistic and cruise missiles having range more than 300km.

Yes, Turkey is constructing most modern U-214TN AIP submarines with %80 national contribution at present. The capabilities of these submarines are beyond your propaganda. At present, Turkish institutes are developing PEM fuel cells (370kw) for domestic submarine (3000t displacement) program. (U-214 has 240kw)

Turkish ATGM family (7 different missiles) and its latest gen capabilities are beyond than your agenda.

You have neither a proper airforce, nor advanced Navy to confront against an advanced army. Your network softwares and electronic industry these softwares are running are such a primitive level that you are hitting an airliner and your warships are hitting eachother. Other ex-british Iranian warship sank on a rough weather condition. As these incidents pointed out, The matter in this century is not about welding the metalic blocks to construct a hull that looks like a warship. If a platform don’t give you some solid advantages against enemy, You are just rowing for nothing. At the end of the day, The manned kamikaze boats became the most effective solution you can reveal. There is not much thing except some drones and missiles, mainly ballistic missiles you can daily brag for Iran stronk propaganda but At least stay away from Turkey. Remember I had warned you before. Turkey is inside a totally different league that you can not even dream in terms of quality standarts and strategic components on national programs. Open your own threads and discuss whatever you want because I understand the way Iran is trying to do. You are struggling to survive while trying to produce somerhing that worth to mention thanks to some inferior components coming from East block countries, but Turkey is applying most respected international quality and test standards to own programs and proceeding to develop until we get the impressive results. That’s why Turkish products are running from one export to others, while changing the balances in states having problems inside so I warn you again. Don’t smell the air to make Iran strong propaganda in threads related with Turkiye because Turks are the last people who will eat your "Iran superpower" propaganda. Just respect your opponents and proceed inside your own way. No matter How long you are going to brag in pages. Just keep Turkey out of your desperate agenda because Your trolling won’t change anything.
 
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I have never questioned loyalty of anyone and I have the same expectation in return. Only Indians go that low, we are better than that.

Hate to say it, but there are a lot of suckers out there who will get all emotional about Turk-Pak ties. Geopolitics is a messy and bloody business. It's best to not get too personal and stick to the facts.

You will make a lot of enemies the more powerful you get. It's true for Pakistan, it's true for Iran, it's true for Turkey. Embrace it.

Turkey is a great country but in this specific case, I don't think even Erdogan himself believes what he is telling Turks. Pretty much everyone knows that it is a complete lie to say that any part of Syria, let alone Idlib will not become a conflict zone again.

As for all the people accusing me of being Iranian, nope. I am just one of the few Pakistanis on this site with thick skin who is not afraid to duel with Turkish nationalists and call out their BS.

I have criticized Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, India, and US on numerous things and I give credit where it is due because I value the truth more than what sounds good. No country is perfect.

If Turks take criticism more personally than other people, don't. Thick skin is a good thing to have, especially in our tough neighborhood that is the Middle East.
Lol, acting all serious now as if what he did was constructive criticism and accusing us with a thin skin when getting a reply in return.
You say Turks troll but reading the thread from the beginning one can see that all we have done is replying to ridiculous posts from iranans full of complexes.
And you are one of them so dont call people troll just because you got the well deserved reply.
 
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Shia that wants to die like those want to die for Iran in Syria.

Not Shia. But truth isn't enough for you bloodsuckers

Lol, acting all serious now as if what he did was constructive criticism and accusing us with a thin skin when getting a reply in return.
You say Turks troll but reading the thread from the beginning one can see that all we have done is replying to ridiculous posts from iranans full of complexes.
And you are one of them so dont call people troll just because you got the well deserved reply.

What you are calling "ridiculous posts" are facts. Go back to page 1 and see who started the trolling. Turks on here brought this roasting upon themselves and then act surprised when they got it.

When they got called out on arguments that hold no water, they go into full denial mode and start calling me Shia because there’s nowhere left for them to run.
 
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Not Shia. But truth isn't enough for you bloodsuckers



What you are calling "ridiculous posts" are facts. Go back to page 1 and see who started the trolling. Turks on here brought this roasting upon themselves and then act surprised when they got it.

When they got called out on arguments that hold no water, they go into full denial mode and start calling me Shia because there’s nowhere left for them to run.
Lol facts, more like Iranian propaganda...
 
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Topic has become a troll litmus test... Even the sneaky ones who have hide theirself to this day have not been able to bear more...

Of course, despite all these irrelevant nonsense content and the hate-themed limitations that are clearly written in forum rules, moderation prefers to be inactive. I can now understand why this is happening.

Thanks to the topic, my ignored list developed.
 
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