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People of Pakistan know that who actually runs the show in our country. You expect clowns like Zardari / Nawaz / IK to form a foreign policy.
I was merely stating a fact as ask the person sitting next to you if they want Military in power and you will have your answer. Atleast 9/10 people will Nod their heads. Raheel shareif so far is the most popular person in pakistan according to all the polls and surveys.
Zaradri, NS and all other are elected representatives of people of Pakistan.
They are not some 21 grade officer with 3 year tenure.

Let raheel shareef retire and the.next day people will start targeting him like a common kiyani and mushi.

If the men in uniform are so popular then let raheel shareef contest elections against NS and Zardari after his retirement.
People will show him his real popularity

 
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There is no comparison whatsoever. Look at where Erdogan has taken Turkey without having offshore companies and stealing the wealth of its people. Nawaz Sharif is a crook who is the chief charlatan of corruption. He steals money from the people and has offshore accounts. Comparing Erdogan with Nawaz Sharif like is comparing a lion with a jackal.
 
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There is no comparison whatsoever. Look at where Erdogan has taken Turkey without having offshore companies and stealing the wealth of its people. Nawaz Sharif is a crook who is the chief charlatan of corruption. He steals money from the people and has offshore accounts. Comparing Erdogan with Nawaz Sharif like is comparing a lion with a jackal.
People of Pakistan don't agree with your logic and have shown their will by making hi. PM thrice.

Go and prove NS wrong in court of law. Or defeat him in elections.
 
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People of Pakistan don't agree with your logic and have shown their will by making hi. PM thrice.

Go and prove NS wrong in court of law. Or defeat him in elections.
Give it a rest. Rigging has been proven in so many ridings. Nawaz is no more legitimate than a street dog.

He is a one trick pony and that trick is corruption
 
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People of Pakistan don't agree with your logic and have shown their will by making hi. PM thrice.

Go and prove NS wrong in court of law. Or defeat him in elections.

Don't make me laugh. Nawaz Sharif not only stole the wealth of the people, but cheated his way to power and this has already been proven.

Stop worshiping Nawaz Sharif. If Imran Khan made the same mistakes as ganjoo has, I would scold him too.
 
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Besides the obvious differances between Nawaz Sharif and Erdogan there is the differance in societal structure and outlook. Turkish society is heavily invested in one nation, one state, one people. To use the German expression "ein Vok, ein Reich, ein Führer".

Societies like that tend to come "whole". Meaning where ever the leader takes them they tend to follow. Result in these type of societies one man can lead a country despite going through considerable adversity. Example of such extreme mindset was Germany in WW2 where despite the obvious defeat staring at them the German's kept following them. The German Army GHQ the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht knew by 1942 things were looking bleak but they kept the fight right up until the Russians shells could be heard outside the GHQ and Hitler shot himself. In other words the intregrity of the state structure was kept in place right to the last bullet.

This cohesivness and integrity can be seen in the Turkish forum. The state is above all else. Individuals surrender their sovereign rights to the state. I suppose this follows on from such countries having very unity poility built over centuries. In Pakistan we do not have that. Nawaz Sharif presides over a country split and dissected into horizontal and vertical divisions. Then broken into 10s of splinters each holding piece of sovereignty. This follows from this region's history of fractured kingdoms.

Compare that to Erdogan's predeccors who were the Ottoman Sultans. So NS is making mistake if he thinks he can behave like Erdogan. Pakistan is no Germany or Turkey or China.
 
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People of Pakistan don't agree with your logic and have shown their will by making hi. PM thrice.

Go and prove NS wrong in court of law. Or defeat him in elections.
I think Papers that made PM of Iceland resign are more credible than a person who created drama on swiss banks and took money from isi in the past

People of Pakistan also elected Bhutto but he was a hypocrite
 
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Another way of saying it is that Pakistani's are so divided that even if they ended up with the perfect leader they would still fail to rally around him. They would still fight each other and bring the state to it's knees. In other words the major portion of the collective energy would be used up in the friction between each other and dragging whoever is in charge to their knees.

In other cohesive societies they follow their leader as he/she represents the state even with (which is only human) flaws.
 
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Give it a rest. Rigging has been proven in so many ridings. Nawaz is no more legitimate than a street dog.

He is a one trick pony and that trick is corruption
You are a typical pti kid, who can't look beyond his nose.

And stop selling the churran of rigging, it's no more a sellable commodity.

NS is the strongest politician in the current political lot, all his opponents are helpless to defeat him in elections, and that's but bothering his opponents

I think Papers that made PM of Iceland resign are more credible than a person who created drama on swiss banks and took money from isi in the past

People of Pakistan also elected Bhutto but he was a hypocrite
Oh come on boy, Bhutto is the greatest leader and politician Pakistan ever produced, and he doesn't need any certificates from kids like you.

Don't be a jammati and youthia at the same time.
 
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You are a typical pti kid, who can't look beyond his nose.

And stop selling the churran of rigging, it's no more a sellable commodity.

NS is the strongest politician in the current political lot, all his opponents are helpless to defeat him in elections, and that's but bothering his opponents


Oh come on boy, Bhutto is the greatest leader and politician Pakistan ever produced, and he doesn't need any certificates from kids like you.

Don't be a jammati and youthia at the same time.
Wait baboon leagis just a few days ago blamed bhutto for ruining sharif bussinesses aik baat bolo
 
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Besides the obvious differances between Nawaz Sharif and Erdogan there is the differance in societal structure and outlook. Turkish society is heavily invested in one nation, one state, one people. To use the German expression "ein Vok, ein Reich, ein Führer".

Societies like that tend to come "whole". Meaning where ever the leader takes them they tend to follow. Result in these type of societies one man can lead a country despite going through considerable adversity. Example of such extreme mindset was Germany in WW2 where despite the obvious defeat staring at them the German's kept following them. The German Army GHQ the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht knew by 1942 things were looking bleak but they kept the fight right up until the Russians shells could be heard outside the GHQ and Hitler shot himself. In other words the intregrity of the state structure was kept in place right to the last bullet.

This cohesivness and integrity can be seen in the Turkish forum. The state is above all else. Individuals surrender their sovereign rights to the state. I suppose this follows on from such countries having very unity poility built over centuries. In Pakistan we do not have that. Nawaz Sharif presides over a country split and dissected into horizontal and vertical divisions. Then broken into 10s of splinters each holding piece of sovereignty. This follows from this region's history of fractured kingdoms.

Compare that to Erdogan's predeccors who were the Ottoman Sultans. So NS is making mistake if he thinks he can behave like Erdogan. Pakistan is no Germany or Turkey or China.

I'd like to put the angles of Millet (=conservative Turkish folks) below:
  • Devlet (state) is Kutsal (holy), not Hukumet (government).
  • Millet is ready to sacrifice for Devlet.
  • A bad Hukumet is better than no Hukumet.
  • Devlet run by the worst civil Hukumet is better than that run by the best Military Hukumet. Six centuries old Jihan Devlet was lost within six years of coup mongering Masons.
  • Milltet shows Sabr and Shukr when time for bad Hukumet arrives. Without going into open confrontation they go for silent Mujaddele (movement).
  • When a leader, Reis Erdogan in this case, shows a cohesion between Devlet and Millet all out support is given.
  • Millet has Akl, they know the limitations of the leaders under a given geopolitical situation. But, occasional bravadoes, like public shut-up to Simon Peres or downing Putin's aircraft, are highly rejuvenating for them.
  • Millet is Zeki, in an election they don't fail to choose the right leader like Reis Erdogan.
  • Millet doesn't like Fitne and Fesat from extremism. They have accepted diversity even in extreme forms. They know that Allah-u Azimushshan will simultaneously guide some folks due to Al-Hadi Sifat, and misguide some folks due to Al-Mudil Sifat.
  • Millet understands Din from the tolerant teaching of Horasan Erens, who made the foundations for Jihan Devlets, not from extremist Wahabis, who are basically agents in the service of foreign masters (sometimes unknown to them).
  • Millet loves Ummet in general, and the Paks (= any Muslims from Hindistan) in particular....
 
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ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who is currently beset by the controversy around the Panama Papers leaks and civil-military tensions, figures that his government should continue to assert itself in the footsteps of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Over the past couple of weeks, the prime minister has been holding regular consultations with his advisers, cabinet members, PML-N office-bearers and allies. At more than one point during these discussions, he has referred to how President Erdogan had confronted the once-powerful Turkish military establishment and faced his political opponents, sources privy to these deliberations told Dawn.

The "DAWN" of bullshiit :rofl::angel:. Can't come up with anything on your own, nor have you delivered anything to get people's backing, NOR you have any balls to really be able to justify your own corruption and actually face the jail. So the ONLY option left is to use that billion spent on bribes to the media b Tareen a few months ago. So since the PTI (Pakistani Triple my-Income) party, doesn't have any substance, and obviously, IK talking about the British system and the Prime Minister is also not going to fly either (usual tactics he uses because he has nothing else on his own record to provide, so he brings in the British and others), what's the next thing to do?

So they think "we don't have people behind us as we are a little mafia turned PTI party, we haven't done jack, because we just want power, who wants to work, but now, we have to have something, so lets use the bribed paid media and lets try to use the military against NS and vis-a-vis". That's it? All big deal mafia members and donation sealers trying to come up with "something juicy" to cry about :rofl:

The reality is very different. The reality is, Gen. Sharif met with NS and told him that the military has his back. He has to flush out ALL corrupt politicians. Now the SC will get involved.....IK has billions of assets WITHOUT having a JOB or a Business, EVER!!!! All there lands, etc, are given to him as a part of the Land Mafia's aid as he's a part of it. So when he becomes the PM, all of these people can do corruption. He's stolen donations from his hospital, invested under his sisters and kids names, he's used Indian offshore investment companies to hide millions of donation, etc. He's stolen money for party donations from Doctors in California which I even know about. So NOW, he's scared like the chicken below and he's trying to run away from the SC demand he made, as he's too scared to go to the jail. And you people are listening to a guy who can't make TWO statements on the same topic cohesively!!! How sharp and smart of you??

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Well that Shrek is heading towards his happily ever after so spare him even he compares himself to Quaid-e-Azam
 
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