Enough Scandalizing Pakistan Army!!

[imadul]

What toxic hate these politicians have against Pakistan Army? JUI, PMLN, PPP and Achakzais' and Bizenjos'?
JUI, PMLN, and PPP all have had accepted help from PA and today, look their disgusting language against PA. Irrespective of the occasion from Mujhe kuyun Nikala to this so called Azadi March, they wont let go any chance to abuse Pakistan Army. These young boys gave their lives against most desperate terrorists in the rugged mountains of ex FATA and Baluchistan, saved Pakistan from becoming a Syria, Iraq, Libya or Yemen, shattered plans to balkanize Pakistan by 2012.
Govt should move election commission against all these politicians who scandalize PA and they should be tried for sedition. THEY WILL SHUT UP ONLY THEN.

 

[Lincoln]

What toxic hate these politicians have against Pakistan Army? JUI, PMLN, PPP and Achazais' and Bizenjos'?
JUI, PMLN, and JUI all have had accepted help from PA and today, look their disgusting language against PA. Irrespective of the occasion from Mujhe kuyun Nikala to this so called Azadi March, they wont let go any chance to abuse Pakistan Army. These young boys gave their lives against most desperate terrorists in the rugged mountains of ex FATA and Baluchistan, saved Pakistan from becoming a Syria, Iraq, Libya or Yemen, shattered plans to balkanize Pakistan by 2012.
Govt should move election commission against all these politicians who scandalize PA and they should be tried for sedition. THEY WILL SHUT UP ONLY THEN.

Stop worshipping the Army. No one is against the Army as an institution, or the soldiers who serve in it for the sake of the country.

All of us are proud of our martyrs, and in forever love with the common soldiers who put their life on line.

But what some of us don't appreciate is when elements guide and use the institution for purposes the institution shouldn't be used i.e. political manufacturing.

Is that a concept so hard to understand? Just because our Army as an institution is indeed selfless, and our people have rendered countless sacrifices for the country in it, doesn't mean the Army should have no accountability, or questioning.

 

[Saifullah]

What toxic hate these politicians have against Pakistan Army? JUI, PMLN, PPP and Achazais' and Bizenjos'?
JUI, PMLN, and JUI all have had accepted help from PA and today, look their disgusting language against PA. Irrespective of the occasion from Mujhe kuyun Nikala to this so called Azadi March, they wont let go any chance to abuse Pakistan Army. These young boys gave their lives against most desperate terrorists in the rugged mountains of ex FATA and Baluchistan, saved Pakistan from becoming a Syria, Iraq, Libya or Yemen, shattered plans to balkanize Pakistan by 2012.
Govt should move election commission against all these politicians who scandalize PA and they should be tried for sedition. THEY WILL SHUT UP ONLY THEN.

Establishment is different from Army. When you get that you will understand it. Establishment doesn't stop interfering in politics and when the establishment doesn't back them they cry Establishment is interfering in politics. Establishment is group of people at the helm of state who like to keep power in their hands and do whatever they want as they like but they want to keep their territory as well, law is good when they can benefit from and bad when it's against them and they don't care. There are few good people who seep through and do as much good as possible. The group have good amount of people who are good or try to be which is attached to them so the appearance is deceptive. Crumbs are left to the others and for the people.

Nawaz Sharif, Zardari and other most of the politicians are part of the bad lot with the Establishment a part of it as well.

 

[airmarshal]

Pakistan Army should not be abused. I think there is a law there. That law should be applied.

As for establishment, every country has it and believe it or not, it runs the country. In USA there is a strong military establishment that pulls strings of politicians. Without military establishment sanction, no news story is published when it concerns national security. And you know how easily 'national security' can be abused.

In Pakistan, every f*cker, hiding his incompetence or corruption, blames Pakistan Army. These as*holes time and again had sought army intervention in politics, welcomed it or abetted army's interference in politics when it suited them. Now, when they have lost it, they blame Pakistan Army.

Bhutto served under Army General for 7 years. He used to call Ayub his father figure. He then manipulated political situation in East Pakistan through permanently drunk Yahya Khan to his advantage, getting Pakistan Army blamed for a crisis created br self serving politicians like Bhutto.

Then came Nawaz Shairf, a politician born in Army incubator. Each and every political party abusing army was army's lapdog once.

 

[Mrc]

Some one needs to take out achakzai clown

 

[Lincoln]

Pakistan Army should not be abused. I think there is a law there. That law should be applied.

As for establishment, every country has it and believe it or not, it runs the country. In USA there is a strong military establishment that pulls strings of politicians. Without military establishment sanction, no news story is published when it concerns national security. And you know how easily 'national security' can be abused.

In Pakistan, every f*cker, hiding his incompetence or corruption, blames Pakistan Army. These as*holes time and again had sought army intervention in politics, welcomed it or abetted army's interference in politics when it suited them. Now, when they have lost it, they blame Pakistan Army.

Bhutto served under Army General for 7 years. He used to call Ayub his father figure. He then manipulated political situation in East Pakistan through permanently drunk Yahya Khan to his advantage, getting Pakistan Army blamed for a crisis created br self serving politicians like Bhutto.

Then came Nawaz Shairf, a politician born in Army incubator. Each and every political party abusing army was army's lapdog once.

The Army was just as responsible for the '71 blunder as was Bhutto.

And lets not forget the whole 80s, Kalashnikov culture, refugees, war, Islamization at extreme, and a promise of fresh elections every 3 months for years.

The ISI engaged in illegal narcotics trade, politically manufactured the 1990 elections in favor of the right wing Islamic party led by Nawaz Sharif, and also had planned to completely raze down Kabul right after the war ended to force a favorable leader in Afghanistan.

Not saints, every institution should be accountable and there should be transparency. And once again, this is not hate against the institution or the mostly selfless people who serve in it, there are bad elements in positions of power sometimes, we simply question where they're guiding their institution to.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Stop worshipping the Army. No one is against the Army as an institution, or the soldiers who serve in it for the sake of the country.

All of us are proud of our martyrs, and in forever love with the common soldiers who put their life on line.

But what some of us don't appreciate is when elements guide and use the institution for purposes the institution shouldn't be used i.e. political manufacturing.

Is that a concept so hard to understand? Just because our Army as an institution is indeed selfless, and our people have rendered countless sacrifices for the country in it, doesn't mean the Army should have no accountability, or questioning.

Stop worshiping the corrupt like a traitor.

 

[imadul]

The Army was just as responsible for the '71 blunder as was Bhutto.

And lets not forget the whole 80s, Kalashnikov culture, refugees, war, Islamization at extreme, and a promise of fresh elections every 3 months for years.

The ISI engaged in illegal narcotics trade, politically manufactured the 1990 elections in favor of the right wing Islamic party led by Nawaz Sharif, and also had planned to completely raze down Kabul right after the war ended to force a favorable leader in Afghanistan.

Not saints, every institution should be accountable and there should be transparency. And once again, this is not hate against the institution or the mostly selfless people who serve in it, there are bad elements in positions of power sometimes, we simply question where they're guiding their institution to.

How could Army as an institution was responsible. It was one person, the COAS and a coterie. Yahya wanted to keep power in his hands and Bhutto and Mujeeb had their own interests in dismembering Pakistan. But that was one thing, the whole country was responsible for 71 debacle. Everyone used bad l language against Bengalis. But army has to follow orders of the high command they have no other choice. We cant destry Army's discipline. For few generals, whole army cant be abused. In a country like Pakistan, army will always have an overt or covert role.

 

[shah_123]

How could Army as an institution was responsible. It was one person, the COAS and a coterie. Yahya wanted to keep power in his hands and Bhutto and Mujeeb had their own interests in dismembering Pakistan. But that was one thing, the whole country was responsible for 71 debacle. Everyone used bad l language against Bengalis. But army has to follow orders of the high command they have no other choice. We cant destry Army's discipline. For few generals, whole army cant be abused. In a country like Pakistan, army will always have an overt or covert role.

but the army as an institution fully backed their coas -- Mr Ayyub who labeled Fatima Jinnah a traitor, you tell us WHy? --- Yahya, a drunkard & womanizer --- Musharraf with his Pakistan first slogan ( thrown at him by his master America) trying to change the social fabric of Pakistan.

Where Pakistan stands today, our politicians and army generals (establishment) are equally responsible.

 

[El Sidd]

PTI started it.

 

[paritosh]

Stop worshipping the Army. No one is against the Army as an institution, or the soldiers who serve in it for the sake of the country.

All of us are proud of our martyrs, and in forever love with the common soldiers who put their life on line.

But what some of us don't appreciate is when elements guide and use the institution for purposes the institution shouldn't be used i.e. political manufacturing.

Is that a concept so hard to understand? Just because our Army as an institution is indeed selfless, and our people have rendered countless sacrifices for the country in it, doesn't mean the Army should have no accountability, or questioning.

In a lot of ways, the protection that a powerful army offers is also a chokehold on the country's resources.
It puzzles me as to why Pakistan didn't end up like Israel, with so many similarities.
On topic, there is a vicious circle here, the army needs all the resources else how will Pakistan resolve all its issues? Pakistan needs to have issues else why will they need an excessively powerful army?
Your issues can't be solved as the solution involves a zero-sum game with an adversary.
The whole reason we have had the term 'Bhakts' used in India is because the old tactic of using Pakistan to justify India's excessive military expenditure in maintaining status quo has been causing a strain on our economy, which is why people have started questioning some of these erstwhile sacrosanct institutions. Such 'awakened' people were called unpatriotic and they in return created the term 'Bhakt' to symbolise anyone who'd follow these archaic norms without questioning them.
You may find something similar stuff develop in Pakistan as well.

P.S - This is a hopeless game.

 

[imadul]

but the army as an institution fully backed their coas -- Mr Ayyub who labeled Fatima Jinnah a traitor, you tell us WHy? --- Yahya, a drunkard & womanizer --- Musharraf with his Pakistan first slogan ( thrown at him by his master America) trying to change the social fabric of Pakistan.

Where Pakistan stands today, our politicians and army generals (establishment) are equally responsible.

Army has a discipline and order which makes it an Army, without it, it is like ANA - Afghanistan National Army aka army of warlords.
Without Pakistan Army, Pakkistan would have become another Syria or Lebanon. There were open plans for Pakistan Balkanization by 2012. As long as country is there problems can be resolved. But in Pakistan everyone committed their share of sins.

 

[xyxmt]

Stop worshipping the Army. No one is against the Army as an institution, or the soldiers who serve in it for the sake of the country.

All of us are proud of our martyrs, and in forever love with the common soldiers who put their life on line.

But what some of us don't appreciate is when elements guide and use the institution for purposes the institution shouldn't be used i.e. political manufacturing.

Is that a concept so hard to understand? Just because our Army as an institution is indeed selfless, and our people have rendered countless sacrifices for the country in it, doesn't mean the Army should have no accountability, or questioning.

Dude you do not understand what is the situation here, its not about the army, Its about you nukes. Today if you give you nukes under political govt then from tomorrow there will be no talk against army. you politician are for sale to foreign bidders, you army with all their fault are not for sale to foreign bidders. All these attacks on army from politicians are on behalf of foreign powers who promise them the power share if you do these 1. 2. and 3.

Do you think this Fazloo dharna is for Pakistani public?? no its for those foreign govts whose Embassies he visited recently to show his power.

 

[Saifullah]

Dude you do not understand what is the situation here, its not about the army, Its about you nukes. Today if you give you nukes under political govt then from tomorrow there will be no talk against army. you politician are for sale to foreign bidders, you army with all their fault are not for sale to foreign bidders. All these attacks on army from politicians are on behalf of foreign powers who promise them the power share if you do these 1. 2. and 3.

Do you think this Fazloo dharna is for Pakistani public?? no its for those foreign govts whose Embassies he visited recently to show his power.

Establishment doesn't have it's share of sellouts ?
Without the sellouts in the Establishment Pakistan would never have been here. Establishment has been handling all things from 50s. So lets just be objective and critical without any bias. Establishment had sellouts they put sellouts in power and than did their ayashi and let others do their part as well. They made parties supported them with money and influence than did corruption like hands in gloves.
How do you think critical technology development programs gets shut down ?

 

[shah_123]

Army has a discipline and order which makes it an Army, without it, it is like ANA - Afghanistan National Army aka army of warlords.
Without Pakistan Army, Pakkistan would have become another Syria or Lebanon. There were open plans for Pakistan Balkanization by 2012. As long as country is there problems can be resolved. But in Pakistan everyone committed their share of sins.

sawal chana jawab gandum ---
your response has no relevance to my post, I very well know the ground realities of middle east and the games being played by the West.

I simply asked why Fatimah Jinnah was labeled a traitor by Gen Ayyub (army as an institution fully supported him) --- when you do these sort of things, questions will be asked.