End of American Era in Eqypt

[Obambam]

We do. There are plenty of functional democracies in Europe and Asia that we support.

Actually, the US supports both functional and dysfunctional democracy. How will arms trade and oil come about when everywhere is in a democratically functional state? Ever wondered why that to American eyes the only good guys are always the Nato countries or it's puppets such as Vietnam, Japan and South Korea etc?

 

[somebozo]

Where was america pressuring for democracy in last 30 years of mubarak regime?

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Good...I hope you are not under the impression that once the ME is cleansed of corruption the US will not have any relations with the region. That would be at odds with the fact that we have relations with the functional democracies in Europe and Asia. And do not fret about 'oppression' in the US, meaning state sponsored oppression on the citizenry. When there are far worse true oppression, not the imaginary kind, in your own countries (plural), focusing on US is nothing but a narcotic lollipop.

But to get back to Egypt...

Mubarak is not an American or even European. He is of Egypt, of the ME. He succeeded the murdered Sadat. He know Egypt and its government, meaning he know its weaknesses and strengths. He know how to get things done either through established governmental channels or through his own methods where he answers to no one and when each suits him. He know its people's temptations, meaning inside and outside the government, and how strong is the desire to give in to those temptations. If other dictatorships can get by without American aid, what make you or anyone else so certain that Mubarak can get by unless he receive American aid? Did the CIA paid ordinary Egyptians to desire a larger house on a larger land spread and carry that temptation into government services and other areas of Egyptian life? Or how about the fact that this is what all peoples of all countries want and that somehow in the ME, how to get what one desire by hook or by crook, especially the 'crook' part, is largely ignored?

Stop blaming others for the ills of your societies.

Good... I hope Americans change their foreign policy entirely as soon as the Caliphate appears on the map... because otherwise you ll be dealt with like the Caliphate dealt with Persia and Rome in the past inshaAllah...

Its fairly simple gambit... You give money to a tyrant which makes him very powerful... He then employs his henchmen and crooks... and slaughters anyone who stands in his way of oppression... Now try hard you may to absolve yourself of the crime... but it was YOUR MONEY which made him strong... It was your support that kept such a person in power... because if you think a little about it... People dont really want to be ruled by an oppressor... If Egyptians had been given a real choice they would choose someone at least half a bit more decent than Mubarak... Go and smoke that in your pipe for a change...

 

[GOD OF WAR]

All this talk of a revolution brewing in the Arab Islamic World cannot be mistaken for REAL change. Baradei is a UN employee and that makes him a US stooge. Just a change of face, nothing cataclysmic. He will serve as a civilian dictator like Zardari is serving in Pakistan. US agenda will be met. Nothing can be expected from all these gulf states. They're too busy adopting the western way of life. they are too soft to go against the whims of the western powers.

The whole drama is being orchestrated by the US, notice how Hillary Clinton and the a55 O-BAM-my MAma are all so conveniently supporting regime change. All the news channels are reporting that its just a matter of time now for mubarak.

The US is absolutely shameless when it comes to meeting its own agendas, They are the biggest suporters of dictatorial regimes of the world, Saddam, Shah, Musharraf, Zia, Noriaga and soon to be Mubarak all were dictators and well supported by the US. the Saudis are only thriving upon the support of US.

Democracy is such a sham! A little dedicated study of the US democracy and Electoral College is enough to dispel the myth of democracy. In the US, the bastian of hope and so-called champion of democracy don't give two hoots about democracy, as it is its a FAILING PARAGON OF GOVERNANCE. Truely a Farce

The REAL QUESTION is WHY ARE THE US GETTING RID OF MUBARAK??

 

[gambit]

Good... I hope Americans change their foreign policy entirely as soon as the Caliphate appears on the map... because otherwise you ll be dealt with like the Caliphate dealt with Persia and Rome in the past

Of course we will. It would be foolish not to change. All foreign policies are adaptive.

inshaAllah...

What if he is not willing? Are your foreign policies adaptive to that possibility?

 

[casual]

not really, the dude that's on track to replace mubarak is also in the america camp.

 

[gambit]

Its fairly simple gambit... You give money to a tyrant which makes him very powerful... He then employs his henchmen and crooks... and slaughters anyone who stands in his way of oppression... Now try hard you may to absolve yourself of the crime... but it was YOUR MONEY which made him strong... It was your support that kept such a person in power... because if you think a little about it... People dont really want to be ruled by an oppressor... If Egyptians had been given a real choice they would choose someone at least half a bit more decent than Mubarak... Go and smoke that in your pipe for a change...

Whenever the CIA recruit someone, the American recruiter does not place in front of the recruit images of George Washington and the US Constitution as ideological incentives to 'work' for the US. The recruit is always incentivized with items that are of immediate importance for him: money and sex. It is not that the American recruiter will provide the recruit with sex, but that money will increase his possibility for sex. Money is obvious enough, correct?

What this mean is that for Mubarak to keep himself in power for so long, he and his company does no different than what the CIA would do: offer the potential ally with things that are of immediate importance to the person and in turn, have the person pledge an allegiance in some ways. Mubarak can do that without any foreign money at all. Why should he need to when as a dictator he controls the money supply? What direct paths are there to prove that US aid went from US => Mubarak => corrupted officials => 30 yrs in power? Why not apply the same argument to trade relationships where trade => Mubarak => corrupted officials => 30 yrs in power?

When a country is perceived as 'corrupt' it is not that corruptibility is somehow more prominent in the people of that country and non-existent in other countries. When a country is perceived as 'corrupt' it is because corruptibility is ignored, not prosecuted despite the laws, or perhaps even encouraged to the point where laws are pointless. The Mubarak regime, like ALL others in the ME, is corrupt because corruptibility is ignored, not prosecuted despite the laws, and even encouraged. And that equals to 30 yrs in power. No wonder the effects of US aid is so overblown...

 

[logic]

We do. There are plenty of functional democracies in Europe and Asia that we support.

US supports all kind of regimes all around the world.
A lot of them are Kings Thugs and Goons.

Where was the support for DEMOCRACY when this KING MUBARRAK reigned supreme by US help.

Now US is being over clever by saying they support democracy what a Hypocrisy.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Of course we will. It would be foolish not to change. All foreign policies are adaptive.

Yup, the US will then buy the support of the Caliph

 

[pakdefender]

The Egyption people must not allow the people's revolution to hijacked by yet another american cronnie , no matter what

Best wishes to the people of Egypt

 

[Obambam]

US 'losing credibility by the day' on Egypt: ElBaradei

The United States is "losing credibility by the day" in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said on Sunday. Australian

ElBaradei repeated his call for the longtime strongman to step down, going so far as to assert it should happen within the next three days.


HIGHLIGHTS

"The American government cannot ask the Egyptian people to believe that a dictator who has been in power for 30 years will be the one to implement democracy," ElBaradei told the U.S. network CBS from Cairo.


"You are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you're talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you're lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people," added ElBaradei.


Mohamed ElBaradei, the former head of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency, is now an opposition leader in Egypt.


His recommendations to President Barack Obama's administration were blunt: "You have to stop the life support to the dictator and root with the people."


“It's better for President Obama not to appear that he is the last one to say to President Mubarak, 'It's time for you to go.’”



FACTS & FIGURES

Over 120 people have been killed and several thousands wounded in ongoing anti-government protests aimed at ending President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year rule. Protesters demand that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak must step down.


The U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called on Sunday for an "orderly transition" in Egypt. Clinton has reiterated that the Obama Administration does not seek and would not support the ouster of Mubarak.


Egypt is considered one of the United States' strongest allies in the Middle East and the Arab World.


The U.S. has given Egypt an average of $2bn annually since 1979, much of it in military aid, according to the Congressional Research Service. The combined total makes Egypt the second largest recipient of U.S. aid after Israel. Telegraph


In 2010, $1.3bn went to strengthen Egyptian forces versus $250m in economic aid.


Another $1.9m went for training meant to bolster long-term U.S.-Egyptian military cooperation. Egypt also receives hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of excess military hardware annually from the Pentagon.

 

[VelocuR]

Is Mohamed ElBaradei... next dictator of puppet?

 

[BATMAN]

I hope Mubarik and sensible folks would learn now.... who is friend and who is foe in cover of friend.

 

[logic]

GAME OVER MUBARAK​

Rania Cairo, Jan 31 (PTI) Thousands of Egyptians flocked the streets of downtown Cairo, scoffing at embattled President Hosni Mubarak''s cabinet reshuffle and calling for a ''march of a million'' to demand his ouster, even as the Army said it would not use force against its countrymen. Mubarak sacked his much-hated interior minister today in a revamped cabinet and appointed a new intelligence chief to mollify opposition groups, but the protesters remained unmoved and stated that they would accept nothing less than his departure.The protesters, however, gave the President a Friday ultimatum to quit, and called for a show of strength tomorrow. Earlier, Habib al-Adly, widely despised by Egyptians was axed and replaced as interior minister by Mahmud Wagdi, a police general and former head of criminal investigations department. Also axed were the finance and culture ministers. Mubarak, 82, facing the first serious challenge to his 30-year-rule, also appointed top general Murad Mowafi, a former north Sinai governor, as the new intelligence chief.Mowafi takes over charge from Omar Suleiman who has been appointed Vice President. The main opposition group Muslim Brotherhood rejected the new team dominated by regime veterans, and called for continued protests to ensure the fall of the crumbling regime. Stepping up their campaign, a coalition of opposition groups called a general strike and hoped to put up a massive show of strength tomorrow to force Mubarak to leave the country by Friday. The coalition, including the outlawed Brotherhood, served an ultimatum, telling the powerful army to choose between "Egypt or Mubarak". The death toll in seven days of violence has crossed 150 already.The Army made clear in a statement later that it will not use force against the Egyptian people, and said it recognises "the legitimacy of the people''s demands".The statement made on state TV by a military spokesperson, which said the Army would guarantee "freedom of expression", is bound to give a boost to the protesters.Anti-Mubarak sentiments reached a feverish pitch, as thousands converged on Tahrir or Liberation Square -- the hub of the protests in the heart of Cairo -- to make the call for a "million man march" tomorrow.The protesters waved placards "Down with Mubarak" as they defied assembled tanks and armoured carriers backing heavily-armed contingents of Army, police and secret police. The call by the so called ''April 6 Shabab Movement'' came as an indefinite countrywide strike gripped the nation, paralysing all essential services, including government offices, banks and trading centres. .

US IS A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT​

 

[mikkix]

Is Mohamed ElBaradei... next dictator of puppet?

Puppet Elbaradei.
we should remember what part he played in Iran and Iraq in the name of weapons of Mass destruction.
This movement should not be handed over to this cockroach.
Akhwan almuslimon should do something otherwise they also lost their pride.