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End of American Era in Eqypt

No its is the dawn of New US dictator in Egypt, mohamed elbaradei!!

Baradei is pro-West and the foreign policy probably wouldn't change: Egypt is addicted to US aid and will remain friendly to Israel. But he probably wouldn't be a dictator.

Egyptians are more concerned about domestic affairs and, hopefully, Baradei will ease corruption, nepotism and improve domestic conditions.

The economy was the biggest factor for the uprising. But from the protests it looks like the Egyptian public are very anti-Israel and hence anti-US. Mubarak had a check on the Islamic militants in the country we don't know if a new government would do the same.

Anti-Israel does not mean pro-Islamic militant. It is entirely possible to be a conscientious, moderate person and be anti-Israel and anti-Islamic militant at the same time.
 
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Anti-Israel does not mean pro-Islamic militant. It is entirely possible to be a conscientious, moderate person and be anti-Israel and anti-Islamic militant at the same time.

Yes it is possible. But Egypt has its fair share of islamic militants and though brutal, Mubarak was controlling them and stopping the passage of weapons to Palestine. One cannot expect that from a new regime.
 
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Baradei is pro-West and the foreign policy probably wouldn't change: Egypt is addicted to US aid and will remain friendly to Israel. But he probably wouldn't be a dictator.
Now why does Spain, or France, or Great Britain, or Japan, or Australia, NOT so dependent upon US aid? Egypt can be like any of them and not be 'addicted' to US aid but then would earn the hatred of the rest of Islamic countries. Or remain as is being nothing more than old wine in a new bottle.

Egyptians are more concerned about domestic affairs and, hopefully, Baradei will ease corruption, nepotism and improve domestic conditions.
He will need Allah's help in that.

Anti-Israel does not mean pro-Islamic militant. It is entirely possible to be a conscientious, moderate person and be anti-Israel and anti-Islamic militant at the same time.
True...But then we do not see Australia waging a military conflict against Israel, do we? Can be Egypt be like Australia and be that conscientious objector and still be a functional democracy?
 
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The present unrest in Egypt is based on the desire of its citizens for a truly democratic dispensation. you assume that a democratic Egypt will automatically be anti US. Perhaps you can explain the reasons for your assumption?

Anyway, are the Egyptians rebelling against the American influence in its foreign policy? I think not.
 
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Is it??? Is it end of Amerikan era in Egypt??? What make you (Amerikan Haters) to think it?? After Unrest, new government will come and USA will support that govt...

USA or any other country don't bother bout Democracy or dictatorship as long as its purpose is served...

USA supported pakistani Military govt/ democratic govt...

At one point of Time USA was agree to support Taliban govt (Few talibs went to USA for peace process before Osama did it )....

Its all bout national interest... No one bother bout system or human rights... Thats all...
 
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Yes it is possible. But Egypt has its fair share of islamic militants and though brutal, Mubarak was controlling them and stopping the passage of weapons to Palestine. One cannot expect that from a new regime.

Why should Egyptians care about what you think or US thinks?
 
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The present unrest in Egypt is based on the desire of its citizens for a truly democratic dispensation. you assume that a democratic Egypt will automatically be anti US. Perhaps you can explain the reasons for your assumption?

Anyway, are the Egyptians rebelling against the American influence in its foreign policy? I think not.

mukherjee... If I may answer the question for you... His assumption (rather fear) stems from the fact that America has been feeding the fat tub of lard which is Mubarak with more than 2 billion dollars in aid every year... and this Mubarak has ruled Egypt with raw brutality and tyranny... Obviously the people of Egypt are not stupid as to not realize who their "real" enemy is... is it the puppet or the puppet master...

Egyptians are rallying against Mubarak (who is a well known American stooge)... and they want a change of system not just a change of faces... that speaks for itself...
 
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The present unrest in Egypt is based on the desire of its citizens for a truly democratic dispensation. you assume that a democratic Egypt will automatically be anti US. Perhaps you can explain the reasons for your assumption?

Anyway, are the Egyptians rebelling against the American influence in its foreign policy? I think not.
That is good.

American influence is always overblown in order to absolve the country from as much responsibilities for its own (in)actions as much as possible. There are two American organizations who wish they are even 1/100th as powerful and influential as people perceive them to be: the CIA and Hollywood. Assuming the Egyptians get what they want: a peaceful evolution of political structure from being a dictatorship to a nominal democracy, is it too early to say that Egyptians will not elect into offices hardcore Islamists in the long term? Yes, it is too early. A government can be diplomatically critical of the US and keep that attitude from becoming militant and socially volatile. But the Islamists will not allow any opinions that could be construed as 'pro-West', no matter how tenuous that link could be, and the scope of what is 'pro-West' will be expanded. That potential remains open and that is why Israel and the rest of the world are quietly watching. After Iraq, now Egypt will serve as another 'canary in the coal mine'.
 
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This is what I posted in another thread. Believe me it's all a setup to change the dictators that's it.


He is over estimated about Pakistan. Nothing like that will happen in Pakistan, People of Pakistan are some different from others and Mr. Biden only threatening Pakistan Government over some issues running in last some days. GOP in a critical position. Let's see
 
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Having one American puppet changing to another American puppet would be the most useless... People desire real change... not a change of puppets...
 
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mukherjee... If I may answer the question for you... His assumption (rather fear) stems from the fact that America has been feeding the fat tub of lard which is Mubarak with more than 2 billion dollars in aid every year... and this Mubarak has ruled Egypt with raw brutality and tyranny... Obviously the people of Egypt are not stupid as to not realize who their "real" enemy is... is it the puppet or the puppet master...

Egyptians are rallying against Mubarak (who is a well known American stooge)... and they want a change of system not just a change of faces... that speaks for itself...
My question was: Why does Egypt, not Mubarak, require US aid? Functional democracies like those in Europe do not receive, or 'addicted to' as originally said, US aid.

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Having one American puppet changing to another American puppet would be the most useless... People desire real change... not a change of puppets...
Would you be more comfortable with an Iranian puppet?
 
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Yes it is possible. But Egypt has its fair share of islamic militants and though brutal, Mubarak was controlling them and stopping the passage of weapons to Palestine. One cannot expect that from a new regime.

Mubarak was hyping tha radical Islamist threat to suppress any dissent or criticism of his regime. By supporting Mubarak's brutality unconditionally, America has damaged its own image. Islamists didn't need to do a thing -- America achieved this all by itself.

Now why does Spain, or France, or Great Britain, or Japan, or Australia, NOT so dependent upon US aid? Egypt can be like any of them and not be 'addicted' to US aid but then would earn the hatred of the rest of Islamic countries. Or remain as is being nothing more than old wine in a new bottle.

Prevention is always easier than the cure.

If Egypt had remained free of US aid, then it would not need to be weaned off it now. The good news, if you can call it that, is that the US aid went mostly to the oligarchy and the military -- the ordinary people barely saw any of it. So they won't miss it.

He will need Allah's help in that.

Skipped your medication again, did you?

True...But then we do not see Australia waging a military conflict against Israel, do we? Can be Egypt be like Australia and be that conscientious objector and still be a functional democracy?

As a democracy, Egypt's government -- whether Islamic or secular -- should abide by its people's wishes when formulating its foreign policy. Whether it remains pro- or anti-Israel is entirely up to the Egyptian people. "Protection money" by foreign powers should not thwart the democratic process.

you assume that a democratic Egypt will automatically be anti US. Perhaps you can explain the reasons for your assumption?

The US aid to Mubarak has served a dual purpose -- to play nice with Israel, and to maintain a brutal despotic regime. The Egyptians are rebelling against the latter and they are not likely to look favorably upon the despot's financial backers.

However, I think the Egyptians are pragmatic and would want to reset the relationship and start afresh -- if America is wise enough to do likewise.

Anyway, are the Egyptians rebelling against the American influence in its foreign policy? I think not.

Correct. These protests are about domestic issues, not Israel.

American influence is always overblown in order to absolve the country from as much responsibilities for its own (in)actions as much as possible.

In this case, American influence is not overblown. America has been paying $2 billion/year for the last 30 years precisely to suppress democracy in Egypt.

Assuming the Egyptians get what they want: a peaceful evolution of political structure from being a dictatorship to a nominal democracy, is it too early to say that Egyptians will not elect into offices hardcore Islamists in the long term? Yes, it is too early. A government can be diplomatically critical of the US and keep that attitude from becoming militant and socially volatile. But the Islamists will not allow any opinions that could be construed as 'pro-West', no matter how tenuous that link could be, and the scope of what is 'pro-West' will be expanded. That potential remains open and that is why Israel and the rest of the world are quietly watching. After Iraq, now Egypt will serve as another 'canary in the coal mine'.

Ah, the standard Western duplicity shows its head again: democracy is good, except where it harms Western interests. Glad you finally acknowledged that the West has a vested interest in suppressing genuine democracy in Egypt, and has been doing so for the last 30 years.

The Egyptians, like most people around the world, will elect whoever delivers the best results on domestic matters. Elections are rarely about foreign policy, except during a war. Being pro- and anti-West will be low on the Egyptians' list of priorites when electing representatives.

If the people who deliver the best governance on domestic issues happen to be Islamistsw, then so be it. The West will have to suck it up.
 
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mukherjee... If I may answer the question for you... His assumption (rather fear) stems from the fact that America has been feeding the fat tub of lard which is Mubarak with more than 2 billion dollars in aid every year... and this Mubarak has ruled Egypt with raw brutality and tyranny... Obviously the people of Egypt are not stupid as to not realize who their "real" enemy is... is it the puppet or the puppet master...

Egyptians are rallying against Mubarak (who is a well known American stooge)... and they want a change of system not just a change of faces... that speaks for itself...

Isn't that over simplifying the issue? Foreign aid is misused in many nations. There have been instances of such misuse in the past in my country as well. Can we blame the aiding nation for that misuse? Obviously the donor wishes the aid to be used for specific purposes which are aimed at improving the lot of the masses. 'Raw brutality and tyranny' are the functions of a dictator clinging on to power despite clear lack of popular support. These are not elements of a nation's foreign policy. At best the Americans or anyone else for that matter, after befriending a dictator would like him to be in compliance with their broad foreign policy format in that part of the world. How he runs his own nation is entirely his own business.

Have I missed out something here or am I being too naive?
 
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I hope there's not going to be unnecessary dispute with Israel. If the Islamists in that country gets into power there's going to be major tension in the region.

An artificial "peace" only benefits USA. Israel is an artificial state in an alien land and I dont see it passing the test of time.
 
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it seems,options of u.s are decreasing day by day in middle asia.
but they are welcome in south asia
 
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